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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191  |
HOW does one pronounce 'Tir Tairngire??' I don't think I've heard it the same way twice. It's giving me heartburn.
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Jan 16 2005, 04:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 7-December 04 Member No.: 6,873 |
TEAR (As in crying) TEAR(as in "tearing" paper)N GIE AR
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Jan 16 2005, 04:39 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
There's a thread or six in the forum about how to pronounce it correctly.
I tend to fall back on "Faries of the American Northwest" or "Oregon" |
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Jan 16 2005, 04:40 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,784 Joined: 28-July 04 From: Cleveland, OH Member No.: 6,522 |
If you use the Gaelic pronunciation, I believe that it's SHEER sharn-GEAR.
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Jan 16 2005, 06:01 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,544 |
I always liked Ameri-Tir and Euro-Tir. Much easier to say.
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Jan 16 2005, 06:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 278 Joined: 28-September 04 From: The Smoke Member No.: 6,709 |
I quite often use 'American Ponce Land' or 'Irish Ponce Land', but should I be bothered to try the real thing I usually use Tir T-air-n-g-ire.
Prolly way off, but who gives a frag? :o) |
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Jan 16 2005, 06:42 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 96 Joined: 7-January 05 From: Ultra wideband Member No.: 6,944 |
I ran it through a text to speach program (not exactly the most accurate method), and it came up with this:
Tir = "T-ier" Tairngire = "Tan-GUY-er" LordHaHa |
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Jan 16 2005, 11:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 865 Joined: 31-December 03 From: Shadows of Britain Member No.: 5,944 |
Sounds about right and is the same way as i pronounce it. |
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Jan 16 2005, 06:04 PM
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I'm afraid I can't be definitive, because I've never heard the word "Tairngire" actually used, but I do speak Gaelic as it is taught in schools in Ireland pretty well, and I'm about 95% confident that it's pronounced Tear Tarn-grr-uh.
"ai" is a diphthong which is pronounced either like the 'a' in ban or the 'i' in fire. Preceding an r, it would almost definitely be pronounced the former way. 'G's are always hard 'g's, unless they're followed by a 'h'*, in which case, the 'gh' is a soft guttural sound. Lone 'i's are always pronounced like the 'i's in bit. And the normal process of speech makes a final 'e' sound like uh. Tír na nÓg would be pronounced Tear na nogue (rhymes with the Pogues). |
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 Jan 17 2005, 12:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 401 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Living with the straw sheep. Member No.: 2,850 |
Dexy's got it pretty right. It more or less means "The land of promise" in Irish Gaelic.
Pronounce: Cheer thar -ing-irreh. (th as in 'there', 'they', with the 'i' in 'ing' only long enough to let you pronounce the 'ng') More or less. It depends on the dialect of Irish Gaelic you want to use...because they pronounce things very differently. If it makes any of you feel better, most Irish gamers can't pronounce it worth a damn either. It's like naming a country in old Anglo-Saxon because it's "Cool, man". Grrrrrrrr. I am a Mutant-talk-monkey. |
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Jan 17 2005, 09:44 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 17-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Tx USA Member No.: 6,996 |
Tir Tangire? I always liked "gay elf land" myself. :grinbig:
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Jan 18 2005, 02:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 230 Joined: 3-December 04 Member No.: 6,863 |
ooooooohhhhhhhhhh :eek: |
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Jan 18 2005, 10:12 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
I call Aztlan, Mexico.
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Jan 19 2005, 03:06 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 3-November 04 From: in the trenches Member No.: 6,805 |
And how do you pronounce Salish Sidhe?
I mean, seriously. It looks gaelic (the second part) but obviously couldn't be. :| |
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Jan 19 2005, 03:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 4-September 04 Member No.: 6,628 |
I pronounce it Teer Tayrn Geer. Salish Sidhe would be Salish Shee in pronounciation wouldn't it?
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Jan 19 2005, 03:21 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
"Sidhe" is the usual gaelic word. "Salish" is the name of North American Native culture.
Okay, if you really want, to know, it comes from "Salst", which means "person" in Okanagan, one of the languages of the Salish group. I guess an explorer pointed a finger toward some Okanagan guy wanting to know what was the name of their tribe. Since the previous questions were about the word for a fish, a tree or whatever, the guy simply answered he was a person. |
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Jan 19 2005, 07:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 693 Joined: 26-March 03 Member No.: 4,335 |
That's not unusual. Most tribal group names merely mean 'the people', because obviously all those foreigners aren't real people. Heck - many modern nation states still have that world view.
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Jan 20 2005, 07:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 4-September 04 Member No.: 6,628 |
Like those cannibals who call each other "people" and everyone else "the edible ones".
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Feb 9 2005, 06:09 AM
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On that note , does anyone have any good ideas for a name for a Troll country.
Thrash metal / ballad is the anthem ! Im kinda looking for a SR/ED crossover with some kewlness thrown in . I know im asking a lot |
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 108 Joined: 10-July 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 2,960 |
Just to chime in on the name game. 'Manitou' as in Algonkian-Manitou Council is the Algonkian name for spirit. Which is also where the the province Manitoba gets its name. This is what my ling professor told me. He studies Salishian and Algonkian languages.
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Feb 9 2005, 06:17 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
I and my characters just call it Elfopolis.
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Feb 9 2005, 06:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 187 Joined: 30-April 04 Member No.: 6,294 |
From what I've heard, Trogs are about the only race that never had their own language or culture, so they'd have to make something completely new.
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Feb 9 2005, 08:31 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Back in ED there was a troll kingdom called Ustrect. Was destroyed long before the scourge at the Orichalcum Wars. |
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Feb 9 2005, 05:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 30-January 04 Member No.: 6,043 |
If a certain dragon is to be believed, it was destroyed by a plague of the infamous "hell-cows."
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Feb 9 2005, 07:08 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Isn't the Black Forest/Schwartzwald some sort of Troll Empire now?
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