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 Jan 17 2005, 07:44 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,986  |
I was wondering, since the description isn't entirely clear, how targetable the Commanding Voice Adept Power is. Does it affect everyone within range who would reasonably be affected by the command, or does the user get to pick and choose who it affects?
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Jan 17 2005, 08:02 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
Everyone within earshot is my understanding of it, but if the adept constructs his sentences wisely, it will target those that he/she wants it to.
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Jan 17 2005, 08:14 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Tough to do in three words or less. |
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Jan 17 2005, 08:17 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
Heh. Yeah, that makes it a tad tough, however one word can make the difference.
"Everyone get down!" "You, get down!" Eh.. |
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Jan 17 2005, 08:21 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
Yeah...
"Pick your nose" results in universal picking whereas "Pick his nose" results in male nasal violations. |
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Jan 17 2005, 08:28 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
"Shit your pants!"
And the all time fav - "F**k youself!" |
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Jan 17 2005, 08:40 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
Don't let them read 'Preacher' before gaming.
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Jan 17 2005, 01:37 PM
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Ain Soph Aur Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,477 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Montreal, Canada Member No.: 600 |
I only got to read the power description quickly, but didn't it say that commanding voice only resulted in the targets hesitating for a moment? It's not actual mind control, it just kinda throws them off.
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Jan 17 2005, 01:59 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,691 |
Correct. They lose their next free or simple action either fulfilling the command or shaking it off.
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Jan 17 2005, 02:18 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Hence the value of the Preacher-esque "Shit your pants!" Sure, the corp guards might be able to function normally on the next action, but there's still going to be dirty underwear in the room. It's also something you probably want to do solo, or your co-runners will be irritated. |
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Jan 17 2005, 02:26 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,691 |
It'd be the rare corporate guard who has the force of will to voluntarily shit his pants on command but still isn't pliable enough to choose not to when it is suggested.
-Albert |
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Jan 17 2005, 06:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 14-March 04 From: Cal Poly: SLO Member No.: 6,155 |
Course, there's also the 'Shoot him' command. Whether at another guard, or at the troll in the party who you know can take it (instead of shooting, oh, you) The second version is less likely to be resisted, because it's in the guards nature to shoot one of you.
Question: How often can you give commands? (don't have the book with me right now). If you give two commands before the person gets to act, will they do both actions? |
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Jan 17 2005, 10:30 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,986 |
It's a Complex Action to issue commands, and subsequent commands within some period get a cumulative +1TN penalty. Anyway, given widely applicable commands, such as "Freeze!", "Duck", etc., how much fiddling can you do to make sure it doesn't hose people on your side? Would pointing, prior instructions to disregard things you say, or the like, be effective? And is it just me, or is it likely to be most useful in a hostage situation? |
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Jan 17 2005, 10:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
I say, fiddle away. I support players making creative uses of their abilities. As to whether pointing or using any other non-verbal methods of making clear whom someone is talking to... sure, why not? We use these forms of communication today to understand who is talking with or to whom. I would rule that unless the command is so vague that it is impossible to tell who the adept is speaking to, the command effects work as intended. ie. you point at the LS officer and utter your command, your teammates don't lost their turns. |
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Jan 17 2005, 10:41 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Only if they are all looking at you at the time to see your gesture.
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Jan 17 2005, 10:43 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
Hmm, yeah. I suppose the blind swordsman would be at a loss here, eh?
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Jan 17 2005, 11:56 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
Commanding Voice is a targeted power. it only works on the people the adept wants it to work on. in addition, the modifier for using it on the same target more than once in a 24-hr period is +2, cumulative, not +1.
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Jan 18 2005, 01:13 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
True. Upon reading it again, the +1 TN applies for every additional person the Adept wants to affect.
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Jan 18 2005, 05:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 14-March 04 From: Cal Poly: SLO Member No.: 6,155 |
What about two physads? Say I command a guard in the morning and you command the same guy that night. Do you have a +2 now? or only the same commander.
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Jan 18 2005, 05:46 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
It seems to be only the same commander to me.
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Jan 18 2005, 10:22 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I believe it specifically says that any further attempts by that Adept to command the target suffer the appropriate penaltiy.
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Jan 19 2005, 12:32 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,691 |
If I was GMing, the result would probably be that the "intended victim" would shoot the target of Commanding Voice. I mean, how would *you* respond if the shadowrunner you were trying to apprehend authoritatively commanded a fellow guard to shoot you -- and the guard *hesistated*? Either your partner is in with the 'runner or your partner really has it in for you. I would think "the 'runner has otherwise harmless mind control powers" would be a distant 4th behind "shoot first file investigation later". -Albert |
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