 How to kill a doberman, drone that is |
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 Jan 30 2005, 12:28 PM
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panda!  Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242  |
and so it is for a comboed fireball, darkness and silence spell to...
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Jan 30 2005, 10:33 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Good luck with a fireball. Elemntal manipulations are treated like normal attacks. That means against a doberman you'll need a force 13 fireball and you can't do more than a serious.
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Jan 30 2005, 10:34 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
S base. you can stage it up. and, actually, it'd be force 7: 10 OR, +2 body, +(6 armor x0.5), halved.
edit: oops, vehicle armor. right, force 13. |
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Jan 30 2005, 10:47 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
I don't have my book in front of me. Does vehicle armor lower the damage level by one before or after staging and soaking?
Also, the TN would be 8 (base) + 2 (body) + 3 (1/2 armor). While doable with a lot of pool dice being spent, 13 is a tough nut to crack. Granted, you only need one success, but you're far from gauranteed to get one, and you're soaking some hefty drain just to try. Basically mages are crap at fighting drones with damage dealing spells, and should probably focus on any living targets whie their buddies take on the drones. |
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Jan 30 2005, 11:00 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
no, the TN would be 4, same as any other target for an elemental manipulation. the damage reduction for attacks against vehicles is mentioned before it talks about staging and whatnot, so i assume the base damage is reduced, not the staged damage.
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Jan 31 2005, 10:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 19-September 04 From: Charleston, IL Member No.: 6,676 |
Which is EXACTLY why I was asking how powerful of a force you would need to levitate the drone and how high you would need to lift it in order to drop it on its head and let gravity + sucky falling damage rules do all the work. |
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Jan 31 2005, 03:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 486 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Fomorian Wastes Member No.: 6,538 |
Can anybody tell me or think of a way to track back from the drone to controlling rigger using magic? Afterall the rigger is essense connected to some of the hardware.
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Jan 31 2005, 04:05 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
From the drone? No. Because there is no essence lost to connect to any specific drone. Unless magic can track the encrypted frequency hopping drone signal, you can't track down the rigger directly using magic from the drone.
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Jan 31 2005, 04:06 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Oops, yeah the firebal has a TN of 4. I was thinking combat spell and not elemental manipulation. But since it is a manipulation, even if the force is high enough the rigger can still attempt to dodge (assuming he's controlling just the drone in question of course).
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Jan 31 2005, 05:40 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Well, if you can take the drone intact. If the Rigger has done much work on it, it could theoretically act as a rutual link to the Rigger, but that's unlikely. I know I have at least one rigger character thet purposely dones't handle the drones much to prevent that. I have a drone just for re-loading and maintaining the guns.
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Jan 31 2005, 08:30 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
thats a nasty use of ritual magic nikoli, me likes :vegm:
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Jan 31 2005, 11:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 190 Joined: 24-October 04 Member No.: 6,787 |
Be a troll W/bone lace, dermal plating and a load of impact armor
Get a IPE grenade on a stick, tie a string to the pin. Place the end of the stick under the drone, pull the string, wait a few seconds Watch drone go into orbit as chunky circutry with the floor comes into effect. Hope you're tough enough that you survive the remaining shockwave Modify a grenade so that it has a Radio Detonator (SR3.283) for a trigger. Place it in the frount door, and wait for the metal doggie to come through Press the button, then repair the door frame. Of course, I might be misremembering the rules for explosions and armor, but at the least the drone would get knocked about, and maybe flipped over The whole issue of magic VS inanimate targets is a headache, and IMHO the part of the rules most in need of revision. Blackjack has/had a rant on it on his page in the archives. |
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Feb 1 2005, 02:34 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Wouldn't it just be easier to just wear gloves or something simple like that? |
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Feb 1 2005, 03:09 AM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
No, the gloves are a part of your clothing, which we all know does nothing to protect against aura contamination. My drone idea (Mr. Fix-it, comes with a tool kit and a robot brain) leaves you a virtual impassive party as you never have to touch the drones, I can direct repairs virtually, which will not leave my aura on what is being worked on.
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Feb 1 2005, 03:10 AM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
You shouldn't play something without knowing how you would be defeated. (and figuring out how to remove that weakness) |
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Feb 1 2005, 03:18 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
Three words to solve everything: Tactical Nuclear Strike. :D :grinbig: :spin:
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Feb 1 2005, 04:21 AM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Well.........
That's a might drastic. even for Lonestar in a Z zone. |
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Feb 1 2005, 05:19 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
Hey! It (sorta) worked in Chi-town! I would think the precedent has been set.
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Feb 1 2005, 05:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 807 Joined: 9-October 04 Member No.: 6,741 |
I have a simpler solution: Realize these things don't respond well to fire elementals appearing inside them and melting their circuitry in the process.
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Feb 1 2005, 05:56 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Except a fire elemental cannot appear inside an object without the proper amount of space. And even if it could, at best it's an Engulf on the drone, which follows all the normal rules.
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Feb 1 2005, 06:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 807 Joined: 9-October 04 Member No.: 6,741 |
Hmm. I need to go over that again...
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