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 Feb 4 2005, 01:44 AM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375  |
Its a gift. :) |
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Feb 4 2005, 01:45 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
A kid I know was driving through a nearby area and got tailgated. This truck tailgates him for three miles and doesn't let up. This kid, being a pretty good driver, decides to fuck with him, and slams on his brakes. The truck stops inches short of his rear bumper. Man gets out of truck with a pistol and points it at him. Kid drives the fuck away. What's the moral of the story? "What kind of gun was it?" "Fuck, man, I didn't stick around long enough to find out." Unless we're talking about specops types in close terrain, it's pretty much idiotic to think any near reasonable weapon is going to be that distinctive. Unless there's footage to review later, for most people, a gun is a gun and it's shooting at me so I'm going to stay behind the goddamn car, if you don't mind. |
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Feb 4 2005, 01:51 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
It's cool. I just couldn't resist, Damn my low Willpower. ;) |
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Feb 4 2005, 04:16 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
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Feb 4 2005, 05:15 AM
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You miss the point. When ambushed people remember the gun, not the person holding it. This is distinctive because he wasn't ambushed. He was being followed for three friggin' miles before the gun came out. |
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Feb 4 2005, 05:38 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Yeah, by some guy who was, up to that point, just some jerk in a truck. It wasn't Charlie in the trees, but it's still far from any sort of warning.
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Feb 4 2005, 05:52 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
And can either of you point to studies? I did a search and came up with nothing.
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Feb 4 2005, 06:21 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
I don't think I ever mentioned studies or any scientific research at any point. I'm arguing from personal experience, related experiences, and pertinent stuff I've read (accounts of combat, etc).
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Feb 4 2005, 06:43 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
A dual-feed magazine is certainly not the most practical thing in the world, but it doesn't have to be quite that stupid. It would probably be even less practical on a rifle rather than a pistol. Anyway, here's my idea. Think of it like two single-stack magazines welded together. Then think of a rotating breech face or non-locking bolt that can be operated via a flush "feed lever" mounted either on top of the slide or on one side behind the ejection port, with a single extractor and plunger ejector passing through it (like the M16 bolt without the locking lugs). 180° opposite the switch (or 90° depending on where the feed lever is) there's a "tab" on the bottom of the breech face that pushes each cartridge into the chamber. When the switch is pushed to the right, the gun feeds from the left magazine. Pushed to the left, it feeds from the right magazine. Alternately, this could be done with a crossbolt. This can be performed whether the action is open or locked. Now, when one magazine runs dry, its follower presses up on a lever on its side that automatically switches the breech face to feed from the next magazine (doesn't matter what order). When both magazines are dry, both followers press up on these levers, locking the slide open. The dry magazines are then ejected and a fresh one inserted. While retracting the slide, the user presses the feed lever to whichever side he chooses, then releases the slide to move forward and chamber a round. If there's already a round chambered and you want to switch ammunition, you can either switch the feed lever and manually eject the round in the chamber or you can switch the feed lever and fire the round in the chamber and follow it up with a second shot from the chosen magazine. Obviously it is more mechanically complicated, so there's that. You can only use one cartridge, but two different loads for it (say one mag frangible and one mag AP). It would also take some training to use effectively in close quarters. And it's arguably more complicated (though perhaps not so time-consuming) than just switching magazines when the need arises. But it doesn't have to be quite as silly as having two of everything. |
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Feb 4 2005, 07:08 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the ideal solution would be to set it up so that the round isn't loaded into the chamber from the clip until you squeeze the trigger. but using current tolerances, that'd create too long a delay between squeezing the trigger and actually firing the bullet; if you speed the action up, with a setup that complex, i'd think you'd greatly increase your chances of a jam.
and, yeah, i know you don't need two barrels and two actions and two whatnot to use two clips--but that was what had been suggested by another poster. |
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Feb 4 2005, 08:16 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Yeah, it could pretty easily be made to fire from an open bolt. Most machine guns and several submachine guns are fired that way (Thompson M1, M3, Uzi, etc...). The amount of time it takes for the bolt to slam forward is pretty much inconsequential (you wouldn't have to "speed up" anything); it's not real great for accuracy but it's good enough for government work. Firing from an open bolt can also simplify the firing system (no need for a hammer/striker or moving firing pin; the trigger just releases the bolt or slide, the round chambers, the firing pin smacks the primer). But I don't think there would be any need to do that anyway. Of course, there's really no need for a dual-feed magazine, so...
Maybe the guy who made the suggestion didn't. :) |
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Feb 4 2005, 09:07 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971 |
Eh, I think of it as a way to conserve those oh-so-precious few APDS rounds and capsules with nasty drek in them. It's in the canon rules (however stupid they might sound), so I'll just assume that someone came up with a workable idea after havign sixty years and gazillions of corp dollars invested in firearms. :P |
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Feb 4 2005, 10:57 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Raygun: Are there any real world examples of guns that come with dual-feed magazines?
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Feb 4 2005, 11:13 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
The Neostead shotgun, which is also on Raygun's site. I sure can't think of an example of dual-feed box magazines from real firearms, better wait for Raygun on that one.
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Feb 4 2005, 11:36 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
None that are automatic that I'm aware of.
The Neostead shotgun has a dual-feed of two six-round tubular magazines, but it's a pump action. There's also a bolt-action, double-barrel repeating rifle that has a dual-feed box magazine, made by Szecsei & Fuchs in Austria (at $35-75k a pop). That's all that come to mind at the moment. Edit: Oops. Aus beat me to it. |
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Feb 4 2005, 06:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
It seems like whether one remembers the gun or the gunman is dependant on the individual and the situation. |
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Feb 4 2005, 06:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 478 Joined: 18-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 5,918 |
Indeed. You're gonna remember whether some guy had a .22, or was pointing a Desert Eagle at you.
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Feb 4 2005, 07:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 22-November 02 From: Gordonsville, Virginia, U.S.A. (or C.A.S.) Member No.: 3,630 |
Reminds me of an episode of HOGAN'S HEROES.
COL. Klink had been kidnappped at gunpoint--he was mistaken for GEN. Burkhalter by a group of Underground operatives attempting to free their leader --who had been sentenced to death in absentia--from the Gestapo. Their intent was to force the Gestapo to release him in exchange for Burkhalter--if their leader were executed, Burkhalter would be the next to die. One of the kidnappers actually stuck a pistol in SGT. Schultz's face while the other members of the band were taking care of Klink. This led to the following exchange between Schultz and GEN. Burkhalter (or MAJ. Hochstetter of the Gestapo, I forget which): "What did the kidnapper look like, Sergeant?" Schultz: "A German Luger." --Foreigner |
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Feb 12 2005, 12:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 28-January 05 From: Phoenix, Arizona Member No.: 7,030 |
My favorite serious Bad @$$ gun. Remington, double barrel, stock action, barrel sawed, stock whittled down to pistol grip, and just enough counterweight running from the bottom of the fist to the elbow to allow you to twirl reload it.
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Feb 12 2005, 02:42 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 2-February 05 From: Greensboro, NC Member No.: 7,046 |
sometimes a gun can be so distictive that it's all they remember... like my sammy and his neon pink predator 3... he also had a neon pink switchblade-- his theory was that it's bad enough to get shot or stabbed, but it's adding salt to the wound if you get shot or stabbed by a fraggin PINK weapon.
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Feb 12 2005, 05:38 PM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
What? |
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Feb 12 2005, 10:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 28-January 05 From: Phoenix, Arizona Member No.: 7,030 |
Remington Shotgun, Take a hacksaw to it and take off Half length of the barrel, Then take the Stock over to the jig saw and leaving the attach/detach part of the stock alone saw off the top portion, carving knives and sandpaper and some finish for the rest of it. Not pump action though Stock Action, you pull the bar down to eject the spent shell, and pull it up to load the next round into the chamber. |
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Feb 12 2005, 10:31 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
What the hell is stock action? Do you mean lever action?
There are no Remington lever action shotguns. Lever action shotguns haven't even really been made for almost a century. |
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Feb 12 2005, 10:55 PM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
I understand the sawing off and such, what I'm not sure about is "stock action" and "twirl reload". About the closest thing I can deduce from what you're saying would pretty much be Arnold's bit in T2. That was a Winchester 1887 shotgun. It's a lever action repeater and it only has one barrel. I believe they stopped making them in 1901. If you're thinking about a break action ("double barrel" would kind of suggest that), Remington does make over/unders, but I'm at a loss as to how one could accomplish anything described as a "twirl reload" with a break action, as it's not a repeater. The only other lever action shotgun I can think of is the Winchester 9410, which they started making about three years ago. |
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Feb 12 2005, 10:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 28-January 05 From: Phoenix, Arizona Member No.: 7,030 |
Ah, my bad then. Although with skills in Machining custom parts and B/R firearms it could still be done. but yeah Lever action is the technical term. Stock action is the "po man's" term.
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