 Garrote Wires anyone?, Rules about choking someone silently |
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 Feb 3 2005, 04:44 AM
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Immoral Elf  Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486  |
True! We're the demons ... they are the Horrors. :grinbig:
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Feb 3 2005, 08:21 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
I don't think that there are really good silent kill rules in Shadowrun. There's not much explicitly stated in the rules for degree of silence vs. not silence if you, for example, creep up behind someone and puncture his lungs as opposed to jumping out in front of him, pwning him with lots of melee dice, and slicing open both of his carotid arteries. If I were go to about addressing the issue of silent kills, I'd consider making a rule dealing specifically with silent kills. |
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Feb 3 2005, 09:26 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
There's just no end to this, is there? :) |
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Feb 3 2005, 10:20 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
There would have been had you not pulled it to the top.
HORRORS RULE! |
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Feb 3 2005, 11:43 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
6 billion humans with nukes... I ain't betting on the Horrors on this one...
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Feb 3 2005, 11:49 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Six billion humans with nukes is exactly the reason the Horrors have this one in the bag.
~J |
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Feb 3 2005, 11:51 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
I wonder how long before we work out how to get a nuke through a spirit's Astral Gateway... "Express delivery for the Horror dimension!"
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Feb 4 2005, 12:03 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
And it gets to the other side and turns into a giant cake. Or, worse, they use the opened gate to flood through and let the nuke blow up their metaplane so that they can rebound with this one. |
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Feb 4 2005, 12:29 AM
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I concur. |
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Feb 4 2005, 01:51 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Of course it turns into a cake. Knowing that Horrors consume all there is, they will consume the nuke/cake thinking they can have it and eat it, too. Little do they know it was built to those specs. After the Horrors eat the Giant Cake of Death, they all die of Astral Radiation poisoning. :) Oh, and yeah. There should be rules for garrotes in SR and stuff. |
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Feb 6 2005, 03:25 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
The move is right but the tool is not. The move was taught by Fairbairn, as in the designer of the Sykes-Fairbairn dagger. He was a police inspector from india who taught hand to hand to the commandos when they were formed. A true garrot is a wire. You want something thin to focus the pressure in as small a place as possible. a coin or knot would actually increase the surface area that the pressure is being applied to and so spread it out. A rupture larynx is ruptureed wither the pressure is 2mm or 2 inches wide. The knee presses the body into the wire and besides crushing the throat, the wire also damages the blood flow to the brains since it is pressuring the arteries on the side. My guess is in the movie in the 1960's they didn't want to give the full details how to strangle someone. |
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Feb 6 2005, 03:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 22-November 02 From: Gordonsville, Virginia, U.S.A. (or C.A.S.) Member No.: 3,630 |
Snow_Fox:
You could be right. I hadn't considered that. OTOH, another possibility could be that depicting the use of a piano-wire garrotte realistically was too much for the censorship laws of the era. The film was rated "PG", and in 1965, "PG" usually meant nothing was allowed except unrealistic violence and some mild swearing. --Foreigner |
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Feb 6 2005, 05:37 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
You don't get people to pass out from crushing their larynx, you make then pass out by cutting off the bloodflow to your brain. If you cut it off well enough, they'll drop within 10 seconds, usually closer to 5. You can do that without even touching the larynx (with a choke, not with a garrotte). A 'sleeper hold' or any of the other names doesn't touch the larynx if you do it right. the end of one forearm, near your wrist cuts off one of their arteries, and your bicep cuts the other one off from the other side. The point of your elbow sticks out in front of their chin, and you don't hurt their larynx at all. The bonus to this is most people don't realize you've gotten them in an incapacitating choke until they notice their vision start dropping, and by then, its too late.
As far as garrotte wires, small thin and strong is what you want, but not thin enough to cut. |
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Feb 6 2005, 06:12 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Don't forget flexible....
And I never even had the chance to notice the vision going when it was applied to me. |
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Feb 6 2005, 06:47 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Thats why its too late, when you blackout, your vision drops dark, usually its at the same time you're losing conciousness, so its not really noticed.
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Feb 7 2005, 02:45 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
When I was doing judo, I was working out with a friend who was very large. He had never been choked out and wanted to know what it was like. He trusted me to do it. He got on his knees so he wouldn't have far to fall and i stood in front of him. Grabbed a lapel of his gie in each hands and jambed my knuckles into the sides of his neck.
He turned red. Huis face got puffy, but, htinking he was giving directions he startedsaying , through clenched teeth, "I can still breath, I can still breath I can still breath...." then he toppled over. When he came too a little later he looked at me and said "What happened? I could still breath" I just smiled and said "Sure, I couldn't get my arm around your neck, I just cut off the blood flow to your brain." "Oh" Sensei was very amused by it all because of what I chose to do, how I did it and the fact the big man didn't realize what the threat from lil' ol' me was. He was pleased. |
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