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 Feb 4 2005, 08:49 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 167 Joined: 11-August 04 Member No.: 6,556  |
What is the difference between the Makeover and Fashion spells??
Can you use a Makeover spell to change/convert a characters clothing like the Fashion spell does?? If so why would you learn the Fashion spell in the first place?? I am thinking of using this for a master of disguise type character to change his clothes at a moments notice without having to use a Physical Mask spell which you have to sustain. Thanks for the help. |
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Feb 4 2005, 08:56 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
Dude man, you posted this in the wrong section. This is Welcome to the Shadows, its for the onlinge games. You should have posted in the other section where they actually answer questions. Please try again (but not in this section).
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Feb 4 2005, 09:16 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
And to answer your question, no, Makeover doesn't change clothing, it just cleans them really. Maybe brighten the colors, starch the collars etc, but the clothes remain the same as they were. Just like your Human wouldn't look like an Elf after a makeover, your clothes won't change appearance. They'll just look better. ;)
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Feb 4 2005, 09:23 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Also keep in mind that the Force of the Fashion spell must equal or exceed the Armor Rating of the clothing to be altered.
I usually take all three 'style spells' ... Fashion, Makeover, and Healthy Glow. The latter two don't need to be taken at a high Force though. |
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Feb 5 2005, 03:59 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
According to the Errata, the Drain code for Fashion is only +1 (L). So it is essentially a limited version of the Makeover spell, which specifically states that clothing is included in the change.
So why would a mage take it instead of, or in addition to, the makeover spell? Any number of reasons. They may want a lower-Drain spell if they are only interested in changing clothing, and not the rest of it; just like some mages take the ram spell, which is a limited version of powerbolt. Also, there is one big difference between the two spells - the fashion spell can be used on an involuntary target, letting you create your very own "wardrobe malfunctions". ;) |
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Feb 5 2005, 04:22 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I keep making this mistake, too, but the spell description says the combined armor ratings can't exceed the Force of the spell +1/2 successes. The TN is 6, so don't count on getting more than a success or two. During downtime would be a good time to try altering the look of high rating armor. |
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Feb 5 2005, 12:05 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Interesting. If that's the case (and from a literal reading it seems to be), then there is even less of a reason to take the Fashion spell, since Makeover has no Force restrictions whatsoever in regards to Armor Ratings (or anything else for that matter). The Force 1 Makeover spell is much better than a Force 6 Fashion spell, and is all you'd ever need to accomplish everything you want (as long as the subject is willing). You could even lower the drain code to +1(L) by adding the personal restriction. I've always treated Makeover as freshening up and cleaning clothing, and otherwise generally cleaning and polishing the subject (since it lists it as being similar in effect to using a Beauty Salon), whereas Fashion makes permenant alterations to the clothing's style. |
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Feb 5 2005, 12:31 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
If you allow Makeover to have the same effect as Fashion, then you have to let Makeover have the same effect as Mask.
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Feb 5 2005, 09:59 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Makeover will spruce your Secure Armour Jacket up, clean it and press it.
Fashion will make it look like this year's hot release from Vashon Island. |
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 Feb 7 2005, 03:52 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Makeover also helps with hair and make up. basically if you like your cloths but got back form a run or just a long day and have to go out again, it helps freshen you up when you can't take the time to do it properly.
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Feb 7 2005, 05:40 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
That's what I'm saying. I do not think it is anything like the Fashion spell, as Glyph is asserting.
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Feb 8 2005, 04:05 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 65 Joined: 5-January 05 Member No.: 6,934 |
So remember, Sentinel, nobody will answer questions here, so make sure to rewrite this question in the actual question section. Sheesh. :twirl:
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Feb 8 2005, 04:19 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I figured one of the Admins would have moved this thread to the proper section by now. :D
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Feb 8 2005, 10:47 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971 |
This begs the question, of course -- how many seriously warped shadorunners ever brought an insanely high-level fashion spell along to turn the opposing trolls security armor into a heavily armored pair of purple thongs, getting free, unarmored shots at the rest of the body? :P
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Feb 8 2005, 03:18 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Just the newbies that didn't understand SR uses an abstract armor system and that ploy would have no effect. Now changing it into a straight jacket, that would be helpful. Or reversing his camo pattern, or...
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Feb 8 2005, 03:42 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Nah, just remove the flexible joints.
Let's see the ginger-bread brigade make called, aimed shots now against moving targets |
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