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Naval Battle, Ares vs Proteus AG?

Moomin View Member Profile	Feb 5 2005, 02:24 PM Post #1
Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Manchester, England Member No.: 660	Can anyone give me a page reference for a paragraph or two mentioning a naval battle between Ares and Proteus AG (I think it was them). I believe it was in the Shadows of Europe book and it was described as the largest naval battle since WW2. I'm starting a mini-campaign involving lots of underwater/piracy activity and it'd be cool to involve this somehow.

Ancient History View Member Profile	Feb 5 2005, 02:39 PM Post #2
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935	That would be in the Shockwaves (Shockwellen) campaign over in Germany for full details.

FlakJacket View Member Profile	Feb 5 2005, 05:21 PM Post #3
King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127	Naval battle? Must have missed that. What prompted it?

Fortune View Member Profile	Feb 5 2005, 05:28 PM Post #4
Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486	Skarn Ka wrote in this thread ... [ Spoiler ] The real story is the following: in June 63, a series of incidents pitted Ares and Proteus in the Sea of Japan and the North Sea, resulting in several ships damaged or sunk on both sides. The destruction of Ares' Thule facilities (Proteus denied responsibility and nothing proved they did it) led to retaliation by Ares, that Thor-shot Proteus's Romo arcology off the Danish coast in July (Romo was sheltering the core of Proteus secure internal network, 'Deep Blue'). The whole point behind 'Thoring' Romo was to open the can to infiltrate a team of runners amidst the chaos.

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Feb 5 2005, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE (Ancient History)

That would be in the Shockwaves (Shockwellen) campaign over in Germany for full details.

Yep, it's in there.
After the death of Nachtmeister, Proteus wanted to buy-out the Frankfuter Bankenverein. The Bankenverein got help by Ares - and somehow Ares and Proteus are at war. Some ships are sunk (the ones Ares lost are not more detailed, neither what happened exactly). But Ares hit a Proteus Arcology at Romo with a Thor shot, so they got their vengeance.

it's a nice campaign - very challenging for the characters and with a lot impact. Only the last mission sucks. And the fact that the head of the FBV is a drake (are they everywhere?). :please:

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Feb 5 2005, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE (Grinder)

It's a nice campaign - very challenging for the characters and with a lot impact. Only the last mission sucks.

How so?

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And the fact that the head of the FBV is a drake (are they everywhere?). :please:

Well it kind of makes sense if the place used to be run by a great dargon. You'd want a trusted flunky in charge of it. Although keeping out of the reach of the other greats now that her benefactor is gone could be worrisome.

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Feb 5 2005, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE (FlakJacket)

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It's a nice campaign - very challenging for the characters and with a lot impact. Only the last mission sucks.

How so?

It plays in a space station iirc and all the "secret" head honchos of Proteus are there. It wasn't my cup of tea. But it's long ago since i read the book so i may be confusing sth.

I simply don't like the idea that dragons control the whole world and have their pawns (=drakes) in every second apartment building, disguised as the doorman. ;)

Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*	Feb 5 2005, 08:11 PM Post #8
Guests	Whoa! Whoa! Waitaminute. They are revealed, or just present? No one ever mentioned this in the Shockwaves thread. I don't think. Also, given Cross' ties to Proteus, I'm not completely surprised Ares got involved as an antagonist. I'd just be curious how much Ares knows about Proteus.

Grinder View Member Profile	Feb 6 2005, 08:34 AM Post #9
Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698	The last chapter is titled "Proteus: The Full Truth" - there you can find the whole history of the corp, beginning with it's roots in the Goldammer-Stiftung iirc. At the end of the campaign the corporate court decides about the fate of Proteus and installs a board of overseers or sth., made of members of the corporate court. But that's all iirc cause i read the book a year or so ago and don't have the time to search it proberly (have to go to work soon). :)

Nath View Member Profile	Feb 6 2005, 12:31 PM Post #10
Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723	[ Spoiler ] Proteus was not so much about megacorporate backing than about parasiting. Executives from several corps were secretly diverting money to fuel Proteus, without the consent or even the knowledge of the managers and shareholders. The investment was returned with a nominal benefit to avoid troubles for the mole. In theory there were only a small number of moles within each of the parasited corps. But if you consider that Proteus was using biblical codenames just like all of Cross Seraphim, you might have to wonder if Cross wasn't an exception to that. At the end of Shockwellen, the Corporate Court decide that instead of disbanding Proteus, it will continue to make business, but now under a real control from its "shareholders", the corps who were robbed, plus a Corporate Court employee. Oh, and yes, some time ago this discussion should have gone under a MJ Only or Spoiler tag, methink.

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Feb 6 2005, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE (Nath)

Oh, and yes, some time ago this discussion should have gone under a MJ Only or Spoiler tag, methink.

Most of this has already been openly posted in the thread I linked in my last post.

FlakJacket View Member Profile	Feb 6 2005, 08:30 PM Post #12
King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127	I just had a thought. So if Nachtmeister was the power behind the FBV, does this mean that he and Celedyr were enemies? With the FBV backing the Sudanese government in Khartoum and Celedyr backing the southern rebels, it doesn't exactly point to all that good of a relationship.

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Feb 7 2005, 07:07 AM

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QUOTE (FlakJacket)

I just had a thought. So if Nachtmeister was the power behind the FBV, does this mean that he and Celedyr were enemies? With the FBV backing the Sudanese government in Khartoum and Celedyr backing the southern rebels, it doesn't exactly point to all that good of a relationship.

To the best of my knowledge, Nachtmeister and Celedyr weren't especially enemies.
I think they were more a "competing triangle" with Lofwyr.
You'll notice that with Nachtmeister out and the moving of the Marienbad Council and Schwartzkopf to the Czech Republic, there's only one last Big D left in Germany.
Do you have a reference regarding the FBV backing the Sudanese government ? I never saw any mention of that.

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Feb 7 2005, 07:11 AM

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QUOTE (Nath @ Feb 6 2005, 11:31 PM)

Oh, and yes, some time ago this discussion should have gone under a MJ Only or Spoiler tag, methink.

Most of this has already been openly posted in the thread I linked in my last post.

Most: that is until Romo's Thoring.

I'm getting close to that point in my campaign and I know my players are sometimes lurking around the boards... and they may be attracted to this thread which title is not fully explixit :eek:

Fortune View Member Profile	Feb 7 2005, 07:25 AM Post #15
Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486	Oh well, I only repeated what you posted openly in another thread, including the info on the 'Thoring'. I went back and added a spoiler for appeasement purposes though.

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Guests	Well, the incident was described in SOTA64, although "Thoring" was only mentioned as a possible means of explaining what happened.

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Feb 7 2005, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE (Fortune)

Oh well, I only repeated what you posted openly in another thread, including the info on the 'Thoring'. I went back and added a spoiler for appeasement purposes though.

I didn't think about your spoiler tag or link, rather what deals with the campaign's very end mentioned by Grinder.

No big deal anyway :)

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Feb 7 2005, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE (Skarn Ka @ Feb 7 2005, 07:07 AM)

Do you have a reference regarding the FBV backing the Sudanese government ? I never saw any mention of that.

Dragons of the Sixth World, page 56.

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Feb 7 2005, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE (Moomin)

Can anyone give me a page reference for a paragraph or two mentioning a naval battle between Ares and Proteus AG (I think it was them). I believe it was in the Shadows of Europe book and it was described as the largest naval battle since WW2.

Oh, BTW, just came to come accross it, the reference to this event as "the biggest naval battle since Jutland" is in SOTA:2064, page 20, in the entry about MET2000/Argus.

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Feb 7 2005, 11:18 PM

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But Ares hit a Proteus Arcology at Romo with a Thor shot, so they got their vengeance.

FREAKING OW! That had to suck.

FlakJacket View Member Profile	Feb 7 2005, 11:44 PM Post #21
King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127	Not as much as getting taken over though.

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Feb 7 2005, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE (FlakJacket)

Not as much as getting taken over though.

I'd think the people in the arcology disagree. ;)

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Feb 8 2005, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE (Nath)

QUOTE (Moomin @ Feb 5 2005, 03:24 PM)

Can anyone give me a page reference for a paragraph or two mentioning a naval battle between Ares and Proteus AG (I think it was them). I believe it was in the Shadows of Europe book and it was described as the largest naval battle since WW2.

Oh, BTW, just came to come accross it, the reference to this event as "the biggest naval battle since Jutland" is in SOTA:2064, page 20, in the entry about MET2000/Argus.

There's also another reference to it's location (Sea of Japan) in the Top Ten Shadow News Stories section of the Culture Shock chapter under the story about the Rømø blast.

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