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 Feb 7 2005, 07:50 PM
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I was lucky enough once to have a GM who worked with me to play a vampire in his game. Fortunately, much like BitBasher there, I'd had my fill of the mausoleum-esque "vompwhors" from WoD. Mine never wore all black. She was particular partial to white leather which(who would have guessed) helped do things like reflect sunlight(not taht she was that crazy :-) ) and take the accentuation off her palid face. But more importantly, she was a predator in a predator's world. She didn't go around ghouling or turning everthing in sight, didn't morose forever over being undead, and didn't talk in overly cryptic phrases. She fed off the dregs of society, had a non-ghoul friend as a roommate/Fixer to keep her house together, and belonged to more tolerant faction of vampires in America which advocated running humanity from behind the scenes. (whereas the other one wanted to overturn all of human governments and corporations and become the hell-on-earth-if-you-aren't-a-vampire empire )
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Feb 7 2005, 08:13 PM
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No. No. She was also Queen Elizabeth. 5,000 years... You hit and miss. Sometimes you hit it into the parking lot, and other times the damn right fielder jumps the wall to catch it. It happens. |
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Feb 7 2005, 08:21 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Funny thing about vamps in SR... They do not get killed by sunlight. They have a moderate allergy to sunlight. They at worst take only one box of damage every minute in direct sunlight and they regenerate all damage every three seconds. It's a pain in the ass, like a sunburn, and they may blister a bit or turn red (even that's debatable), but they can walk around in sunlight with some discomfort easily.
Also note in SR that vampires can definitely regenrate things they are allergic to. There is no "stick a stake in a vampire" then he's good and paralyzed. Even with the stake in him, he still regenerates all damage, including the stake, at the beginning of the combat turn. As long as you play vampires as SR gives them to you, which is modern technology using armor wearaing citizens of the world that contracted a virus, then vamps are easily one of the nastiest stand up threats in the game. Add in their "above average disposition to magical activity" and any vampire can be a threat of nightmare like proportions. |
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Feb 7 2005, 10:43 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
WHY!? I mean really is there a notable person in human history who isn't an Elf? Were Jesus, Mosus, JFK, Ceser roxor elves as well? But back on topic, it is reather odd that people would want to bring up really old vampires, as for the most part vampire stories as we know them seem to be rather new in the real world. Well, it is odd at least for me. |
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Feb 7 2005, 10:44 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I thought maybe you had confused allergic with vulnerability, but it doesn't matter for the stake in the heart. I guess if the stake is still there next round it does damage again. So what's the TN for pulling a 2 inch diameter stake out of your own chest? |
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Feb 7 2005, 10:50 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Not as far as we know, though people keep mentioning Merlin and Richard the Lion-Hearted. Truth be told, it's the single aspect of Worlds Without End that people most bitch about. |
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Feb 7 2005, 10:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 190 Joined: 24-October 04 Member No.: 6,787 |
There seems to be a dif between the earthdawn undead and shadowrun undead. I'm waiting for the next mana jump, when the 'Viral undead' turn into 'Horror construct undead'. or maybe running wild will clear this up.
I read vampires as going malicious as hell, a manditory major personality change, as a side effect of becoming a HMHVV vampire. something no PC could survive intact, and mandating them becoming a NPC |
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Feb 7 2005, 10:59 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Yep - the ones who had been dragons or drakes. :D I don't like the whole Immortal Nazi Elves Conspiracy so i don't use it in my world. INE exist, but they are not happen to be every interesintg person in history. |
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Feb 8 2005, 12:40 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I don't see what the big deal is about the IEs. So a few select people throughout history were in fact IEs. Why is that so hard to swallow? Why wouldn't some of them step into the limelight every now and then to further an agenda or two? It isn't like every single meaningful person in humankind's past is an Immortal Elf.
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Feb 8 2005, 01:01 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Alleviate Allergy. Dunno if it's still around in SR3, but in SR2 a nice quickened/locked alleviate allergy spell would let vamps wander around in daylight - and did, more than once. Boy howdy were those runners surprised...
Well... what's your definition of "new"? China has had vampire legends for thousands of years. Middle and Eastern Europe have certainly had vampire stories for several hundred that I know about (I once spun a theory out of this that vampries orginiated in the Orient and had gradually worked their way westwards, but that's another matter). See, vampires are like dragons. A surprisingly large number of civilisations have some kind of legend about either or both (allowing for cultural drift). Like most roleplayers, I went through a phase of mild interest in cryptozoology, and some variation of vampiric entity is common to more than half the globe. To get weird on you, consider this - since so many different cultures that had no contact with each other spawned so many similar legends, what are the odds that these legends are without any factual basis? Think on that when you try to get to sleep tonight... ;) |
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Feb 8 2005, 01:19 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
They also all believed in some form of divine being. So I guess you should say a bunch of prayers too. :) |
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Feb 8 2005, 01:40 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Really? Whilst they could become fairly powerful and difficult for the GM to incorporate in some instances, I find that a little harsh, even leaving aside the enforced personality change. Going through the change and then either having to kill yourself or others in order to survive seems like some classic roleplaying opportunities to me. As long as it doesn't slip into 'Angst! Angst! Brooding!' territory. ;) |
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Feb 8 2005, 01:58 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Billions of people would argue that there IS a divine being (or more than one, depending on your religion). I wonder how many of them believe in vampires, though..? |
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Feb 8 2005, 04:19 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Depends on the time frame and/or the person, I guess... ...? |
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Feb 8 2005, 04:29 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I like that SR has extended demonic possession to viral infection.
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Feb 8 2005, 04:35 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
Just because of the way it's presented, it often feels like humanity couldn't do jack squat on their own, and we'd still be eating bugs and sleeping in mud huts if not for those IEs stepping in to be our best and brightest. |
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Feb 8 2005, 05:08 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
That's just the the IEs' pro-elven bias showing through in their propaganda. :)
Really though, there are not that many instances in canon of historical figures actually being Immortal Elves. It's only a few select individuals. I like the idea myself. It adds a little spice, and makes quite a bit of sense ... to me at least. |
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Feb 8 2005, 08:36 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Sure it does make sense for you - you're one yourself ;)
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Feb 8 2005, 08:01 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
The only problems I see with this article is that there's no references (No locations where the RPG info about the creature in question is & which book) and no useful game info about the 'new' strains (The creatures in "Other Mysteries" are completely new to me...and I've been reading the SR stuff since it began back in 1989!). But overall, this was a good read. |
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Feb 8 2005, 09:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Well, without any factual basis these numbers are often thought of as holy or unholy in many cultures. 3,6,7,8,13. There are many flood legands, many "garden of Eden's" many tails that the weather is caused by the "gods", that when you die you go to a happy place, that there is some powerful thing out there that cares enough about this world to watch over your shoulder but not enough to fix your problems... Here is a little trick, people tend to have a lot of things in common,even if they lived in different times and areas. And yes,"vampire" like creatures have been in stories for a long time, they are not like the vampires we know of today. |
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Feb 9 2005, 07:00 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
Are there rules for a PC vampire? If so, where? I seem to remember the SR2 ones being pretty horrid.
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Feb 9 2005, 07:25 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
There were some interesting rules in some old issues of Challenge Magazine. issue #45 had rules for playing a 'punk vampire' PC, #60 had some interesting variants, and #73 had a Vampire Hunter archetype.
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Feb 9 2005, 08:24 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Vampires can't use cyber iirc because of their regeneration power. That sucks ;)
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Feb 9 2005, 05:14 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Ther are no official rules for PC vampires and there never have been.
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Feb 9 2005, 05:23 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Well, according to canon sources way back that have never been superceded if a person had cyber before he was infected it continues to work. See the NPC "Nemesis" for a really frightening opponent. He was in a module, but which one escapes me. |
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