 The Indestructable Leopard III, Call in the big guns... |
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 Feb 9 2005, 01:50 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 478 Joined: 18-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 5,918  |
Negative. Check it out. Number one, the bore on a 120mm cannon is roughly as large in diameter as a softball. Now, you might be a pretty good marksman, but trying to shoot the equivalent of a rifle-styled baooka perfectly into this hole is one in a million. Unless you're Luke Skywalker. And that's assuming the tank is sitting still and you've spent time aiming. No way you could do this if the tank was moving. Number two, our rounds for the M1A1, the Sabot and HEAT, are discharged by electrically ignited propellant. Only an electrical charge that breaks the seal on the aft cap will detonate it. Think of it like C-4. Yes, the round will still burn, but it will not explode. And also, the breech of the gun is sealed off from the crew compartment in the turret, designed like like that for just such a contingincy. If the round did explode, the crew would still survive, and so would the tank, it would just lose the use of it's main gun, and possibly the co-axial 7.62mm. |
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Feb 9 2005, 02:03 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 11-May 02 Member No.: 2,723 |
IIRC wards can't be moved.
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Feb 9 2005, 02:22 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Gee, maybe because the crew doesn't? ~J |
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Feb 9 2005, 02:27 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Actually, seats do get their own armor, so the seat cushions don't have 40 armor. (Called Personal Armor in R3R I believe).
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Feb 9 2005, 02:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 401 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Living with the straw sheep. Member No.: 2,850 |
:P |
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Feb 9 2005, 02:33 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Esepcially if you make it a bomb in a box, with one side slightly weaker than the other sides...
Hmm, this might work to destory the tank as well.... How did that math go again, AE? |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:08 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
Didn't check to see if this was already posted (there have been 3 pages added since I read it last night!).
Actually, I just realized how to kill it. I don't know what its body is, but crashing and ramming ignores armor. Slam several small drones into it, each one flying at maximum speed. You can take out any vehicle with a few small fast cheap drones. Unless there's an erratta I'm missing? |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 485 Joined: 25-October 04 Member No.: 6,789 |
Just take a called shot to ignore armor, what's so hard about that?
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Feb 9 2005, 03:16 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
The raw F*cking stupidity of it? Its a TANK!
You stop tanks with other tanks, or much meaner aircraft. ! shipping missles anyone? Ramming it wont work either, as its got a body of what, 12? Youd need to hit it with a large truck at rather high speeds to even slow it down. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:22 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Like so. That's assuming that the point of reference for the Power of a detonation is from the closest edge of the explosive charge. Otherwise you'd have to deal with sillyness such as a large charge of C-12 always being about 0.05-0.1 meters further away than you'd think, which could mean a difference of 1 or 2 for Power in nearly all uses of high-rating explosives. The real problem is getting a Barrier Rating 314 - 316 box with a 0.25 x 0.25 x 0.25 meter internal space. If you can manage that, you get to enjoy the 316D, -12/m blast. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 485 Joined: 25-October 04 Member No.: 6,789 |
Apparantly my Sarcasm did not come through well. We need a sarcasm button. But as for the stupidity of what I said, sorry it doesn't exist.
No matter what you do to armor something (unless you are using neutronium) there are weak spots, and areas where there is substantially less coverage. Average Joe Shadowrunner might not know them, but with the proper background the unaverage one would. Of course if your feeling really evil some LOX or LN sprayed on then a couple sharp blows will ruin anything's day. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:27 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
240 meters/turn ends up with 24D to be resisted by Mr. Tank with no armor. ~J |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:28 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i assume you've got a page number to back that up. actually, that's not true; i assume you don't, but i'm willing to listen if you find something relevant. "enter that tank from the metaplanes" is a bit complex, sure, but there's nothing in the books that i'm aware of that makes it an illegitimate command. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:28 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Heh... woops.
Prehaps, but your still going to, at BEST disable it, then you still have a railgun pointing at your head. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:29 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
So, mfb, for an order I could do something like: "Wait at this warehouse for 2 hours, then go north as fast as you can for another 3. Dig for 2 hours, then come back, oh, and pick up some cheese fries on the way from this shop."?
Kage wins with the most easily accomplished way to take it out yet. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:30 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
So, where do you suggest one should aim with a small arm if one wishes to neutralize a modern MBT with it?
Unfortunately the high Body won't help the target of ramming much. The Leo would never, ever take any damage when it's the one doing the ramming, but as the target it's extremely vulnerable. 2 mini-rotodrones at 120 meters per CT are capable of destroying any MBT. The tank doesn't even get to evade the attack, and always suffers the full (Speed/10)DL with only Body and Control Pool dice. Which, of course, is utterly ridiculous, but there you have it. [Edit]Me = Slow[/Edit] This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Feb 9 2005, 03:31 PM |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:31 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Disabled = it can't even fire its guns. Though, it runs perfectly fine until destroyed (CMC 6, it ignores serious wounds). Once "destroyed" though, passengers get damage from a crash check, and are ejected. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:33 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
As soon as it hits seven boxes, all wound mods apply.
~J |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:34 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Say what? An MBT with an ejection system? |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:37 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
When a vehicle is destroyed, all passengers no longer occupy the vehicle. (I think, no book until late tonight).
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Feb 9 2005, 03:38 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Err, right. CMCs are always too expensive for me to bother with, and I almost never play sams... :P |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 485 Joined: 25-October 04 Member No.: 6,789 |
Well if I was playing with QuickDraw I would (99.9%) be try to disable it after some gang stole it. So the best place would be to bonce some bullets inside trough the open hatches. Now if some professionals are in it. That still might be doable but it would take some set up to pull it off.
I still like the LOX or LN idea though. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:45 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
But only if you use the rules from Sr3. The 'advanced' rules from R3r seem MUCH more viable. Youd need to hit said tank with body 7 drone to do moderate damage. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:46 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
CMCs don't apply to sams :P The cutting-out-after-overload is a feature unique to CMCs among all the damage compensation types, probably to balance out the fact that some vehicles can dodge on ridiculously low TNs in the right hands.
So hit it with ten Body 0 drones. ~J |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 485 Joined: 25-October 04 Member No.: 6,789 |
Kage I have disagreed with you in the past but I love this one. Big bad tank taken out by 10 hand size drones. That is just too good to rule away.
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