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 Feb 16 2005, 03:15 AM
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Hmm, what I meant by that is if the character is technically following the parameters of the totem, just not getting into how sluggish a snake might feel in the snow, he won't suffer target number modifiers in-game. He suffers losing potential good karma for the actual theatrics of the whole ordeal, or lack thereof. And GM's shouldn't revoke power without a really good reason. "You're in snow," is no reason to take away someone's power. "You're in snow and you're not acting the way a snake would," is likewise not a good reason to take away a character's power. Not adhering to what's in the totem advantages/disadvantages section is what should determine this. Part of the roleplaying, but not exclusive to roleplaying the totem. |
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Feb 16 2005, 03:15 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
I wasn't aware that the Ancient Greeks read the Bible. The traditional US medical symbol is the caduceus which has two intertwined snakes on a winged staff, and is from mediterranean/Greek mythos. |
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Feb 16 2005, 03:30 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Ah, my mistake. |
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Feb 16 2005, 03:35 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
It's okay. I wasn't very clear on that. :)
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Feb 16 2005, 03:36 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Does a Mouse Shaman run and hide in a hole in the wall every time he reads a Garfield comic?
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Feb 16 2005, 03:55 AM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
No, but from some of these guy's statements he should lose his spellcasting ability if he doesn't.
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Feb 16 2005, 03:57 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Wow, is it your reading comp skills dropping or mine?
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Feb 16 2005, 05:11 AM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
Probably mine. I just find it surprising that people would ever think that a shaman's totem was linked to the associated animal's typical physical limitations. Something like that just never occured to me; I've always sort of assumed that the totem was more of a life philosophy than an actual animal.
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Feb 16 2005, 05:14 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
You're correct to think so.
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Feb 16 2005, 05:20 AM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
I sure hope so. It would be really awkward if my decker/Snake shamanist had to either pretend he didn't have fingers with which to type, or lose all his magical abilities.
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Feb 16 2005, 05:22 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
I would hate to think of what a shark shaman would have to go through to run the shadows successfully. :D
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Feb 16 2005, 07:32 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
However, this isn't to say that the totem wouldn't appreciate some emulation now and then... the most sincere form of flattery, as they say.
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Feb 16 2005, 09:36 AM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
:grinbig:
The whole reasion this came about is because i have a cat shamon and it takes -1 to magic if dirty and i was just looking into the effects to outher totem if they had something / situation that affected them ie/ snake in the cold. if the cat tkes penaltys becaues they dont like being dirty the why dose a snake not for being cole? as reptiles do need heat to function ( well most of them ). or will the PC have to pick what varity of snake his totem is? i know its all theory but it gives it a bit of indepth if you know what i meen! torz x |
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Feb 16 2005, 09:51 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Because the Cat Shaman's penalty is part and parcel of the idealised image of Cat as a Totem, just as going berserk is the idealised negative of Bear. Since the idealised image of Snake does not include any such limitation as to environment, there is no penalty for the Shaman. |
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Feb 16 2005, 11:10 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 15-May 03 Member No.: 4,591 |
Greetings.
While hiking through the snowy woods, I came upon Snake, slowly freezing to death. I picked him up, tucked him in my shirt, next to the skin, and continued on my Journey. I felt him start to move around as the heat from my body warmed him. I then felt a sharp pain in the chest as Snake bit me. As I lay dying, I asked 'Why did you do that? Do you realize that now we'll both perish?' And Snake said 'You knew I was Sanke when you picked me up.' Sorry about that. R |
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Feb 16 2005, 11:35 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
.... right.
I much prefer the original with the scorpion, the frog, and the flood anyway. Cat shamans get the penalty because being meticulous like that, as has been said, is part of the idealized image of Cat. Just like Unicorn shamans, with the ideal of purity, suffer double essence loss if they sully themselves with cyberware. |
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Feb 16 2005, 11:40 AM
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I am not here... Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 80 Joined: 21-May 04 From: Deepest Darkest Wales Member No.: 6,349 |
I like the idea of cobra or python shamans, are there seperate totems or is it all snake? |
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Feb 16 2005, 12:13 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
Cobra is stealthy and dangerous, hypnotizing her prey to bring them close. She is slow to make a choice, but her moves are deliberate and she does not compromise. She deals on her own terms and does not like being surprised. Cobra cannot fight
to stun. She will either abstain from fighting or go straight for the kill. Ad: +2 dice to combat and illusion spells, +1 die for jungle (forest) spirits Disad: If surprised, a Cobra shaman adds a +1 modifier to all target numbers for the remainder of that combat. -------------- Python is slow and ponderous. Neither clever nor swift, he possesses enormous strength and recuperative powers and is merciless once he gains the upper hand. He is peaceful but unforgiving if provoked. He can also use his singular power of will to dominate others Ad: +2 dice for health and control manipulation spells, +2 dice for jungle (forest) spirits Disad: A Python shaman must make a successful Willpower (6) Test to break off combat or any other sustained activity. -------------- Snake is wise and knows many secrets. She is a good councillor, but always exacts a price fortheir advice. Snake shamans are pacifists; they only fight to protect themselves and others. Snake shamans are obsessed with learning secrets and take great risks to do so. They trade their knowledge to others for whatever they can get in exchange. Ad: +2 dice for detection, health and illusion spells. As a wilderness totem, +2 dice for any one spirit of the land (shaman's choice). As an urban totem, +2 dice for any one spirit of man (shaman's choice). Disad: -1 die for all spells cast during combat |
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Feb 16 2005, 12:28 PM
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I am not here... Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 80 Joined: 21-May 04 From: Deepest Darkest Wales Member No.: 6,349 |
Awsome thanks for the help, its amazing how a few specifics can help round out a character especially as I'm a big fan of illusion magic.
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Feb 16 2005, 12:58 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
yes fortune i understand that but i just would have thoght something of that nature would have been factord in for snakes that all. I meen for something so important in a life style, i mean cat wouldent live in a slum! torz x :spin: |
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Feb 17 2005, 01:31 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
A cat would live in a slum if they had to (just think a bit about strays), but they'd still somehow manage to keep themself neat while doing it. Look at the descriptions I posted above for Cobra, Python, and Snake. The followers of those totems will (in nearly all cases) have personalities that very closely fit the description of those totems. Cat's personality is to be meticulous, in control, and put together. Being messed up or dirty is contrary to being meticulous and in control, and thus violates those precepts of the totem. Temprature has absolutely nothing to do with any of the concepts of Snake, so low tempratures won't affect his magic. It might be in character for the PC to bundle up, and start comulsively sticking close to any large sources of heat, but that's just role playing that should have no effect of the mechanics of the game.
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Feb 17 2005, 01:39 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
Aesop, is that you...? |
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Feb 17 2005, 10:45 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
It's all good, all the time |
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Feb 17 2005, 11:17 AM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
:D
ok all as this has gone into a debate about what should and should not affect a totem i am going to stop this one and start an new thread if you want to continue please see the following. totem what do you think? thanks torz x :grinbig: |
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