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 Feb 18 2005, 02:00 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence  Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715  |
2 questions:
1) What exactly constitutes a voluntary target? MitS pg 56 tells us that anyone who is aware of the spell and does not resist is voluntary, also anyone unconscious is considered voluntary. What about someone under a Control Thoughts spell (SR3 pg. 196) to make someone volunteer? Does that work? also 2) What happens when a voluntary target changes their mind or wakes up or for any reason decides they are no longer voluntary? Does the spell automatically fail, or is it too late? Thanks. |
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Feb 18 2005, 03:17 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
#1 brings up some interesting points, of which I don't know.
#2 is too late. I'm sorry, the time for resisting is when the spell is cast, you can't resist after the fact simply because you were knocked out. |
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Feb 18 2005, 03:20 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
I would say you can't use magic to make someone a voluntary target. You can lie to them, and convince them they are about to get a Glamor spell or something, but I wouldn't allow magical alterations of it.
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Feb 18 2005, 03:34 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Treachery and tricketry are OK, but magic is not able to compel someone to accept a spell IMO.
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Feb 18 2005, 04:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 230 Joined: 3-December 04 Member No.: 6,863 |
So you could get someone to voluntere to have a fireball cast on him if by using a mind spell on them first?
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Feb 18 2005, 04:36 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
Control thoughts might be enough to do it. After all if you cast it on a mage (getting past his will) you can implant a thought to make him cast a spell.
Also I don’t see a balance problem as once you have somebody under a control thoughts spell you have already defeated them and can make them give you any information you want. It is only even useful in the strangest of circumstances (saving somebody that would rather die) I would probably allow it. Edward |
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Feb 18 2005, 04:55 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Well, in theory, if you cast armor on someone who didn't want it, they'd get to try to resist. Or heal, or any other beneficial spell. So, as Edward said, if you already control their thoughts at best you can make them live longer. I suppose the worst use of it I can think of is to control a meaty troll ganger, toss armor and such on him, and use him as your bullet shield/decoy man while the rest of the team does the real work.
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Feb 18 2005, 05:41 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
Well, I'd argue that you can no more be the willing target of a fireball than the willling target of a bullet. You still make a body resistance test in both case even if some wizworm puppetmaster is making you hold still at the moment.
BTW I'd argue that someone who is under a control thought has not become willing for anything you force him to do. He just can't resist doing it. He's probably screaming inside his head for the duration. And he'll get a chance to break enchantment when you try to get him to hold still for a fireball if he sees it coming. That would fall under 'Commands that the target is deeply opposed to' IMO. |
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Feb 18 2005, 06:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 230 Joined: 3-December 04 Member No.: 6,863 |
When you say it that way, it makes it sound so poetic :love: |
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Feb 18 2005, 08:36 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
That's not right, in the canon rules an unconscious target automatically is NOT a voluntary target for any spell except beneficial health spells. They automatically resist all magic.
I would rule that no, control thoughts cannot make someone voluntary. That's a sunconcious action, not conscious thought, which explains why while sleeping target automatically resists all spells. |
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Feb 18 2005, 08:42 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
That's not quite right either, BitBasher. (although neither was I) MitS pg. 56
It never says beneficial health spells. Thanks for catching that, I had misread that section. |
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Feb 18 2005, 08:43 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Aaaah, okay, I was close enough ;)
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