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Kiedo View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 07:03 AM Post #101
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 768 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Houston, Texas CAS Member No.: 6,907	Even though I was wrong about the avail and smart materials thats still 16 double the allowed starting char limit. What sucks about hovercrafts though is they have a markup of 2.0 so you can really only put 800 dp worth of stuff on 'em. That not as bad as say a heavy aircraft carrier with a mark up of 7, who's minimum cost, with out an engine, is 21mil which puts the minimum availability at a whoping 1050/3 years, and thats not taking into account the street index that would be 3 for military grade vehicles.

Fresno Bob View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 06:57 AM Post #102
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252	I sent off the rest of the info you wanted.

Tarantula View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 07:30 AM Post #103
Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686	Doh, I originally was going to do a car, then changed to a hovercraft, but already had it in my head my limit was 1600 DP not 800DP. I'll just have to rework some numbers and do some stuff as post-creation mods, I have the cash to, so its just number rearranging.

Tarantula View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 09:15 AM Post #104
Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686	Ow, my poor little brain, I just spent the last half hour fixing it up, barely making it under with 794 DP spent. Here ya go. Blue is for options purchased with design points, Green is for options purchased after market, and Red is the final stats. [ Spoiler ] Light Hovercraft Design Options: Smart Materials: 100 (15% to speed, accel, & load) +1 Acceleration: 25 +166 Speed: 332 +15 CF: 75 +170 Load: 17 Customizaton: Engine Customization (+30 speed): 8 SunCell: 5 Turbocharging x4 (+60 speed, +4 accel, -4 sig): 150 Drive-by-wire 1(10% to speed): 39850¥ Remote Control Interfaces: 7500¥ Rigger Adaptation: 2800¥, 1cf, 10kg Crash Cage: 3500¥, 2cf, 25kg Roll Bars: 0 APPS: 5000¥, -2 CF Sensors 5: 15000¥, 6cf, 50kg Electronics Ports: 1000¥ Anti-Theft 6: 2400¥ Improved Security Electric Shock Proximity Alert Convertable Top: 0 Hovercraft Water Seals: 1500¥ Photovoltaic Chameleon Paint: 5000¥ Spotlight: 600¥ Adv Drone Pilot 3: 25000¥ Concealed Armor 2: 4000¥ -6CF, -90kg Pop-up Remote Micro Turret: 2500¥, 1cf Enfield AS-7 w/50rnd Drum &SL2 internal 2500¥ 5xextra drums, 500¥ Shotgun Conversion Kit: 750¥ Gunnery Recoil Adjusters x3: 1500¥, 1cf, 72load SL2 Integration Kit: 900¥ Morphing Plate: 5000¥ Transponder Library Chip 6: 4320¥ Oil Slick Sprayer: 600¥ IR Smoke Projector Large: 1200¥ DP Total: 794 x2.0 Mark-up: 1588 Total Price: 158,800 + ¥ Customizations, Guns, & Accessories: 291,720¥ Final Stats: Body: 3 CF: 19 (19 used) Handling: 2 Armor: 2 Pilot: 3 Sensor: 5 Seating: 2 Entry: 2d+1t+1c Load: 250 (242 used) Speed: 365 Acceleration: 10 Sig: 1 (2) Weapons: Enfield on Front Oil Slick Sprayer & Smoke Projector on back

Sandoval Smith View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 09:39 AM Post #105
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690	For rolling any sort of test, the lowest a TN can be is 2. So even if bonuses (for example, when shooting at someone with an aimed shot, at short range, using a SL II, and the target is standing perfectly still) would reduce the TN to less than 2, the TN is still 2. That is the absolute minimum it can go.

Aes View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 10:16 AM Post #106
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971	Yes. With a handling of 1, the TN is still 2. However, once modifiers start building up (say, if it's raining), the lower handling comes into play. A roll of 1 is always a failure. And Lindt -- As much as I'm tempted to further muck with the LeClercMobile™, I think I should refrain. For the sake of Kiedos sanity, at least. Plus some of your characters might want a ride with her at some point and the extra seat can double as a trunk if not. Having built and driven a hovercraft (admittetly it was little more than a wooden frame, a wax-covered tablecloth with a few holes and a leafblower), I'm quite interested to see how one would perform on a street. Ignoring for a moment what a runflat cloth big enough to make a cushion would cost (and you'll want that, or some drekhead with a shotgun will make you real sorry), there's the all-important cornering. A hovercraft has basically no friction whatsoever, so turning it 90 degrees to take a corner will see it continuing sideways as if nothing has happened. Unless there's some insane amount of jets poking out of either side, firing streams to brake the craft whenever it turns, you'll have a hard time surviving moving very fast in crowded areas. The way our hovercraft worked, you had to turn 5-6 seconds before you needed to head in a new direction, which prompted the vehicle to move towards the new direction in a wide curve. Basically, it'll be like driving with blank, soap covered tires on a sheet of ice. ;)

Kiedo View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 11:11 AM Post #107
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 768 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Houston, Texas CAS Member No.: 6,907	Voorhees: Info recieved, thats four official PC's Tarantula: The hover craft looks good, thanks for color coding for ease of reading. Sandoval Smith: Thanks for the info I was pretty sure that was the case, but I figured I'd double check with someone who speaks rule-ese better than I. Aes:Gotcha, I see now, I had completely overlooked weather and terrain conditions, since they needn't be applied during creation. In that case, good idea. If you think you'd like to tinker with the car a little more feel free to, I've been working all night with vehicles trying to make a decent, not super, car, I can't get the hang of not making the ultimate vehicle, but just a average set up. Everyone: Ok as it stands now I've got four PC's that are go, three that are still staging, and three still in the pit. If I get 8 or 10 characters we'll do two teams of PC's if I don't get anymore, which I am almost positive will not be the case, barring death or dismemberment, then we'll go with One PC team and one NPC team lead by the remaining "unsigned" players.

Aes View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 11:10 AM Post #108
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971	The only tinkering I'd like to do is add some rollbars during design (forgot to add them to the excel sheet). They cost 0 dp and add another 3 dice to my body test following a crash. It'd be stupid not to have them. :) Seeing as the LeClercmobile™ (Henceforth referred to as the Corsair, as intended) redesign ended up a good 40k cheaper than the original, can I donate some money towards the mechanics/spare part fund? Or do I go out and buy enough small arms to equip the standing army of a small nation? ;)

Sandoval Smith View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 11:51 AM Post #109
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690	Well, given that whatever you have leftover is going to be divided by ten, there are better ways to spend that 40k. What have you got setup for lifestyles? It's always a good idea to maintain some back up safehouses. How about a little bio or cyberwear? Enhanced Articulation is usually a good choice. I don't know what cyberwear you already have, but with 40K, you can upgrade some of that to alpha, and save yourself some essence.

Kiedo View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 11:53 AM Post #110
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 768 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Houston, Texas CAS Member No.: 6,907	okay okay I'll call it the corsair.

Aes View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 12:04 PM Post #111
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971	Oh, there's plenty of alpha chrome and bio in there. I'm just holding the money back until I hear wether I can donate it to a mechanic fund. If not, I guess a good way to splash the money would be on some ultrasound and encrypted transceivers. I suppose a back-up lifestyle could work too, I just have a hard time imagining the character with a portfolio to rival a slumlord. She's a racer, not a runner ;)

Sandoval Smith View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 12:49 PM Post #112
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690	Another vehicle might not be a bad idea. When I make a rigger I always have two, even if the second is a methane Zarina with nothing more than a rigger package. Since one vehicle is usually a heavily modfied something or other, it helps to have a 'grocery getter' when you don't want to be quite so conspicuous.

Kiedo View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 01:06 PM Post #113
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 768 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Houston, Texas CAS Member No.: 6,907	Opps I completely forgot you asked me about that sorry. Yeah you can donate it to the team fund if you'd like, for things like fixing cars or backing up a member if they wager more then they have. but sandoval is right a less conspicuous vehicle thats road legal, is a good thing to have(thats not to say your corsar isn't road legal, just some of the stuff on it I'd imagine the star might frown upon.) And also an extra lifestyle might actually fit her character, some place to fall back to just in case...

Aes View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 01:44 PM Post #114
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971	Roger that. I'll whip her up a legal SUV to haul stuff about in Added gear: [ Spoiler ] Gear: Saviour Advanced Medkit +Saviour supplies x5 Vehicle Kit (Smart gal always brings a spare) Vehicles: The Great Gruntbuggly (Some reference or other to some drek-old book. Wonder where she picked it up. I hear they printed them on paper made from actual trees back then). SUV chassis Gasoline power plant Design options: Handling improvement rt. 4 (handling 4/6 -> 2/4) Roll bars Nitrous Oxide injectors lv. 1 Turbocharging lv. 2 Rigger adaptation Bench seat Sensors lv. 1 Anti-theft system rt. 5 + proximity alert Accessories: Runflat tires x4 Final stats: Body: 4 CF: 10,5 Load: 75 Handling: 2/4 Armor 0 Autonav: 0 Sensor: 1 Signature: 0 Speed: 130 Accel: 9 Seating: 2+1b Fuel: 80 litres Economy: 5,8 km/l Final cost: 41500 :nuyen:

Nightcrawler472 View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 02:29 PM Post #115
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 130 Joined: 17-March 04 From: A Hive of Vile Heresy Member No.: 6,168	Just a thought, but couldn't we use a Nordstapp-Conestoga Bergen with, say 3 trailers as a transport for everyone? (one trailer being a 'tourbus' style living area, one a thing to transport all the cars in, and one a mechanics shop) Or would that be a bit too much? Anyway... This is what I'm thinking for Fatal's car (I'm calling my character Fatal, and now resisting the urge to call his car 'The Rabbit', and if you get that reference you have too much spare time, like me :P) But, to his car... Ford Mustang Turbo - 44, 000 :nuyen: Now, I was planning to add the following, but I'm really not sure how to, so could someone check the numbers for me? Datajack Port - 2, 500 :nuyen: NoX Injectors [Level 2] - 7, 000 :nuyen: Crash Cages - 3, 500 :nuyen: Then I wanted to strip out the bench seats & put in 2 armoured bucket seats, and add in some concealed armour & a weapon mount of some sort, but I'm not sure what I'm doing, so can someone help me out here, 'cause I'm hopelessly lost. Edit: Typo.

Aes View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 02:44 PM Post #116
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971	By Ford Mustang Turbo, are you referring to the K-E modified Ford Mustang (that shares stats with the Lone-Star modified Honda-GM 3220 Turbo)? In that case, the numbers don't add up at all. You could probably buy a troll-sized version of the car (+4800 :nuyen: ) to the vehicle cost and remove 2 of the reinforced seats to free up the necessary CFs and load, but I don't think you'll be toting much in the way of armor and weapons on that build.

Nightcrawler472 View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 02:56 PM Post #117
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 130 Joined: 17-March 04 From: A Hive of Vile Heresy Member No.: 6,168	Actually I was just using the GM-Nissan 3220 Turbo as the base for it... Oh, as for the weapon...would it be possible to have a shotgun that'd pop out of the roof? (and thus have a 360* fire arc)

Aes View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 02:50 PM Post #118
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971	[Edit] Nevermind. Seems it's called a Honda in Rigger 3 and a Nissan in Rigger 3 Revised. Doing the number crunching thing: [ Spoiler ] Base stats: Ford Mustang - 44000 :nuyen: Handling: 4/8 Speed: 190 Accel: 14 Body: 3 Armor: 0 Sig: 1 Auto: 2 Sensor: 0 CFs: 3 Load: 40 Seating: 4 Entry: 2d+1t Fuel: 60l (gasoline) Economy: 5.4 km/l Removing 2 seats to free up load/CFs: +12 CFs, +200kg load Customization options: Datajack port (pg. 128) -1 CF, -15 load, 2500 :nuyen: (note that this alone will only enable captains chair, not actual rigging) NoX Injectors [Level 2] (pg. 126), -2 CF, -15 load, 7000 :nuyen: Crash Cages (pg. 132), -2 CF, -25 load, 3500 :nuyen: Concealed Armor [3 pts] (pg. 132), -9CF, -135 load, 6000 :nuyen: Customized stats Handling: 4/8 Speed: 190 Accel: 14 Body: 3 Armor: 3 Sig: 1 Auto: 2 Sensor: 0 CFs: 1 Load: 50 Seating: 2 Entry: 2d+1t Fuel: 60l (gasoline) Economy: 5.4 km/l Cost so far: 63000 :nuyen: Not sure what kind of weapon you'd want. If you want to be greedy, you could pay 4800 :nuyen: for a metahuman package deal. That'd make all the seats reinforced, freeing up more load/CFs when you rip them out. (the car would be noticably larger too). Anywhoo, with only 1CF free, you're a bit limited in the turret department. If not, you'll have to settle for externally mounted (hardpoint/firmpoint) weapons and pray a LS officer never lays an eye on your car. Pop-up turrets take up a lot of CFs. 2 pts of armor dropped would allow you a single mini pop-up turret (could mount a SMG on those or a rifle). Slapping down another 4800 :nuyen: for th emetahuman version of the car owuld allow you to keep the turret and armor both. A mini-pop-up turret has 1 weapon point, which is enough to mount a SMG, microwave designator or rifle (I guess a shotgun would count as a rifle). Or you could drop the turret and get an internal hardpoint. That would allow you to carry a single heavy weapon inside the vehicle. (such as a LMG/MMG or perhaps a small rocket launcher), but it would only cover a 5 degree arc, so you'd have to turn your vehicle to aim.

Nightcrawler472 View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 04:12 PM Post #119
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 130 Joined: 17-March 04 From: A Hive of Vile Heresy Member No.: 6,168	Well, I guess he's having an oversized Mustang then...take the metahuman package and put in the mini pop-up turret... Thanks for the number crunching Aes :)

Kiedo View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 04:15 PM Post #120
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 768 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Houston, Texas CAS Member No.: 6,907	Isn't the bergen a train? lol :D hey I just realized tarantula stole your "bonnet" shotguns

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QUOTE (Nightcrawler472 @ Feb 27 2005, 09:56 AM)

Actually I was just using the GM-Nissan 3220 Turbo as the base for it...

Oh, as for the weapon...would it be possible to have a shotgun that'd pop out of the roof? (and thus have a 360* fire arc)

Of course you can. You just need to have a passenger who can hold the shotgun, and then pop up through the sunroof to use it. Otherwise, what you're talking about is a pop up turret. You could fit a micro-pop up turret on that car and equip it with a shotgun.

Micro turret: 2,500 (shotgun, plus shotgun conversion kit purchased seperately)
2 armored bench seats: 6,500 (2 points of armor, which is the maximum)
Datajack port.

There is no room for the NOX, or the Crash Cage. If you ditch the turret, you can have either the NOX, or the Crash cage, but not both. So, basically, your choice is NOX, Turret, or Crash Cage.

And yes, the Bergen is a train, with an availability of around 38 for the locomotive, and 10 for the trailer, so we're probably not getting any.

Aes View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 04:46 PM Post #122
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971	takes a deep breath Right. Number crunching session, mark II [ Spoiler ] Personally, I think it's more trouble than it's worth, but YMMV. Base stats: Ford Mustang w. metahuman package deal (pg. 153) - 48800 ¥ Handling: 4/8 Speed: 190 Accel: 14 Body: 3 Armor: 0 Sig: 1 Auto: 2 Sensor: 0 CFs: 3 Load: 40 Seating: 4 Entry: 2d+1t Fuel: 60l (gasoline) Economy: 5.4 km/l Removing 4 reinforced seats to free up load/CFs: +32 CFs, +1000kg load Installing 2 regular bucket seats: -12CFs, -200kg load, 1400 ¥ Customization options: Datajack port (pg. 128) -1 CF, -15 load, 2500 ¥ (note that this alone will only enable captains chair, not actual rigging) NoX Injectors [Level 2] (pg. 126), -2 CF, -15 load, 7000 ¥ Crash Cages (pg. 132), -2 CF, -25 load, 3500 ¥ Concealed Armor [3 pts] (pg. 132), -9CF, -135 load, 6000 ¥ Pop-up Mini turret (pg. 141), -7CF, -25 load, 5000 ¥ Ammunition bin (pg. 135), -1 CF (free inside turret), -1 load, 250 ¥ Recoil Compensation [level 4] (pg. 137), -1CF, -98 load, 2000 ¥ Customized stats Handling: 4/8 Speed: 190 Accel: 14 Body: 3 Armor: 2 Sig: 1 Auto: 2 Sensor: 0 CFs: 1 Load: 526 Seating: 2 Entry: 2d+1t Fuel: 60l (gasoline) Economy: 5.4 km/l Cost so far: 76450 ¥ You'll still have to pay for a weapon, ammunition and a shotgun conversion kit to fit it on the turret. The 1CF worth of ammunition bin inside the turret should hold at least 1000 rounds worth, unless it's ruled that belted shotgun shells take up the same space as minigrenades. In that case, there'll be room for 100 shots. In other words: enough. If you mount a SMG in there instead, you could conceivably run it full-auto for an entire race, and never worry about running out of ammo. :P Can someone double-check my calculations? I never sat down and looked over the turret rules until today, so I might've slipped up somewhere.

Nightcrawler472 View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 05:21 PM Post #123
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 130 Joined: 17-March 04 From: A Hive of Vile Heresy Member No.: 6,168	Just an idle question, but are helicopters allowed? Aes - Well, thanks. I'm gonna have to think about it though, as it does seem somewhat excessive...so I may see what I can come up with at college tomorrow.

Aes View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 05:18 PM Post #124
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971	Wouldn't a helicopter kind of defeat the purpose of street racing? And you're welcome. Like I said before, pop-up turrets tend to be more trouble than they're worth. Especially considering that everything you'll be shooting at will likely have vehicular armor and AV rounds are hard to get.

Lindt View Member Profile	Feb 27 2005, 06:00 PM Post #125
Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105	Kinda a cheap shot, but I dont see why it dosent work. However, where are you going to find a belt fed SMG or shotgun? One? You guys still only have 1 car/van/death trap? Man... I got like 4 now... But seeing as Im the RACER type, I dont have and guns on my cars...

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