Horsepower Haven, street racing for the ultimate prize Options

[Sandoval Smith]

[Nightcrawler472]

Kiedo - Check Rigger 3. Under the 'similiar models' bit it lists the Ford Mustang.

That's the only reason I said use that profile...

And yes, the bonnet means the hood.

Though I should point out you should all be using English terms since the Brits invented the car if I remember my history right... :P

Now I just have to figure out how to explain the twin SPAS-15 clones mounted next to the engine when the friendly policeman stops me...

Edit:

Oh, and your idea of 'late Wednesday night' rougly translates to some gods-forsaken hour for me, so don't expect me to post anything 'till Thursday.

[Kiedo]

*sigh* I knew it was too good to be true, I hadn't really gotten around to check myself yet... Well when ever it's right send it my way, Damn it I am going to be soooo confused :? come wednesday night since that will be the fifth different copy of the corsair I will have gotten. Eh hopefully we can have this all sorted out by then. maybe you could stick like a 2.0 in there somewhere.

nightcrawler472: I know I know, but I can't help it I'm a ford person, I love my focus(which look cooler on your side of the pond I may add). You guys may have invented the... wait I thought a german company had the first car, irrelivant because thank to Henry Ford cars are readily available. :nyah: Yeah your a few hours ahead of us so no biggy, initially it's going to be "post a description of your character so we're all on the same page." type stuff, maybe coming up with a name for your racing team, pick a leader, stuff of that nature.

[Sandoval Smith]

Here is the complete writeup for Sebastian St. John. I've made a few more tweaks (putting runflats on all the vehicles, for example,) from the version I sent in to Kiedo, but now this guy should be the REALLY final version.

Sebastian St. John (backstory included)

[ Spoiler ]

Dwarf
Bod: 4(5)
Qui: 5
Str: 2(4)
Cha: 3
Int: 5
Wil: 5
Ess:.51
Bio: 1.5
Mag: 0
Rea: 5(6)
Ini: 1 (3 when rigging)

Combat Pool: 8
Control Pool 9

Edges:
Sense of Direction: -1
Human Looking: -1
Vehicle Empathy: -2
Good Reputation: -2
Spike Resistance 2: -4

Flaws:
Day Job/10 hrs: 1 (Freelance Security Consultant)
Phobia (Uncommon/Moderate) Bug Spirits: 3
Phobia (Common/Mild) Insects: 3
Infirm 4: -4


Lifestyle:
Low: A converted, seperate garage, small, but snug. He rents it from the old orc lady who lives in the house on the same property. It allows him to stay close to his cars, and tinker on them as he feels like it.

Low: His backup doss, where he stays when he's 'working.' A small, bare apartment with street parking.

Low: Another converted garage, this one in a not so nice neighborhood. He stays on good terms with the local gangs, patching up their bikes, or replacing bullet riddled windshields when they need it. This is where he keeps his actual working car shop.

Squatter: It's got four walls, a roof, enough room for the van, and may or may not have devil rats (depends on the weather, and if anyone has curled up and died in there recently). It's the back up doss he maintains in case he needs a hiding place, fast.


Cyber:
Vehicle Control Rig (2)(alpha).........(2.40)
RC Deck [2]...................................(.30)
Datajack...............................(.20)
Datajack...............................(.20)
Memory 100MPS..........................(.33)
Skillwires (4/48MP)....................(.8)
Chipjack Multi slot 2..................(.25)
Expert Driver 3........................(.3)
Cyber Eyes(alpha)........................(.16)
-Microscopic vision(alpha).............(.08)
-Retinal Clock(alpha)..................(.08)
-Thermographic (alpha).................(.16)
-Image Link (alpha)....................(.16)
Knowsoft Link..........................(.10)
Smartlink II ..........................(.50)
Internal Air Tank......................(.25)
Subdermal Speakers.....................(.10)
Protective covers (black)
External Transducer

Bioware:
Enhanced Articulation
Metabolic Arrestor
Sleep Regulator

Skills:
Active:
Car: 6
CarB/R: 4
Electronics/Control Systems:2/4
Electronics B/R 3
Computer/Programming 2/4
Etiquette/Street: 3/5
Negotiations: 3
Intimidation/Mental: 1/3
Gunnery: 5
Rifles: 3
Athletics: 3
Stealth: 3

Knowledge:
Car: 4
Greater Seattle-Street Layout 3/5
Scrounging: 3
Safehouse Locations: 2
Seattle Junkyards: 3
Gang Identification: 3
Gang Turf: 3
Police Procedures: 3

English: 5
Japanese: 2

Gear:
RC Deck [5]
Storage Memory 200Mp
Audio/Visual Screen Display
Intercom System
R-C Biofeedback Filter [3]
R-C Encryption Module [2]
R-C ECCM Rating [3]
Signal Amplifier [4]
Clearsight [2]
Sharpshooter [2]

Fake Credstick [3] Ace Freely - Freelance Security Consultant
3xOrdinary Clothes
Fine Clothes
Secure Jacket
FF Full Body Suit
-Chemical Seal [4]
ActiveSoft Spec. [2] Biotech / First Aid
ActiveSoft Gen. [4] Bike
ActiveSoft Gen. [4] Bike B/R
ActiveSoft Gen. [4] Rotorcraft
ActiveSoft Gen. [4] Pistols
ActiveSoft Gen. [4] SMG
ActiveSoft Gen. [4] Spray Weapons
LinguaSoft Gen. [2] Chinese
LinguaSoft Gen. [2] French
LinguaSoft Gen. [2] Sprethiel
LinguaSoft Gen. [2] Spanish
[3]Medkit Rating 6
[2]Antidote Patch [6]
[4]Stimulant Patch [6]
[3]Tranq Patch [6]
[2]Trauma Patch
Vehicle Kit
Electronic ToolKit
[3]Compressed Air Blowers
Flashlight, pocket
Binoculars, Thermographic
Shotgun Mike [3]
Wire Cutter
Personal Comm Unit Rating [3]
Basic Pocket Secretary
Earplug Cell Phone
Vehicle Shop

:nuyen: 1,002

Shock Glove

Remington 950 (SMII)
-Sling
-Silencer
-Imaging Scope 3
-8xRegular
-4xExEx
-4xGel
-1xCapsule
+5 doses DMSO
+5doses Gamma scopolamine

Predator III
-Silencer
-Concealable Holster
-8xREgular
-4xExEx
-3xGel
-1xCapsule
+15xDMSO
+15xGamma Scopolamine

Heckler & Koch HK227 (SMII)
Sound Supressor
Underbarrel weight
Pintle mounted
6 x ExEx
4 x Gel

3xSpray Tank
[4]Splat Glue (per liter)
[2]Splat Glue Solvent (1 liter)
[4]Slip Spray (per liter)
[4]Freeze Foam (1 liter)
[2]Freeze Foam Solvent (1 liter)

Vehicles:

Eurocar Westwind 2000 Turbo 5 CF / 45 KG free - 3 /30 used
Rigger Adaptation (1 CF / 10KG)
Sensors [2] (2 CF / 20 KG)
Autonavigation System [4]
-10 x Advanced Map Chips
Maglock [6]
Anti-Theft System [6]
Electric Shock System
Library Transponder Chip [6]
Morphing License Plate
Photovoltaic Chameleon Paint
Pintle Mount (driver side door)
Pintle Mount (rear of sun roof)
4 x Runflats

GMC Bulldog Step Van: 50 CF/1200 Load free - 36/525 used
Rigger Adaptation (1CF / 10 KG)
Remote Control Interface [4]
Advanced Drone Pilot [3]
-10 x Advanced Map Chips
Sensors [4] (3 CF / 35 KG)
Concealed Armor [4] (12 CF / 320 KG)
Crash Cages (2 CF / 25KG)
Engine Customization [2] (Speed/Acc)
Morphing License Plate
Library Transponder Chip [6]
Photovoltaic Chameleon Paint
White-Light
Electronics Port
Electric Shock System
Anti-Theft System [6]
Vehicle Infared Smoke(Small) 5KG
Drone Rack (7 CF / 195 KG)
Remote Small Turret(Pop-Up) (10 CF / 100 kg)
-Gunnery Recoil Adjustor [6] (1CF / 30KG)
-LMG Customization Kit
-Ares MP-LMG
-Rangefinder
-External SMII
-Smartlink-II Kit
-Sound Suppressor
-400x ExEx(belt)
Pintle Mount (driver side door)
4 x Runflats

GM-Nissan Doberman
Autosoft Interpretation [4]
Remote-Control Encryption [2]
-Smartlink-II Kit
-Rifle Customization Kit
-LMG Customization Kit
Ingram Valiant LMG (SLII) -turret
-Rangefinder
-400xExEx(belt)
Ares Alpha - firmpoint
-Rangefinder
-Grenade Link
-Gas Vent IV
-357xRegular (belt)
-10xHE minigrenades (belt)
-5xIR Smoke (belt)
-3xWhite Phosphurus (belt)
-2xInk (belt)
-
A.S. Condor LDSD-41
Sensors [2]
Remote-Control Encryption [2]
Power Amplifier [2]
Autosoft Interpretation [4]

Renraku Arachnoid Mini-drone
Autosoft Interpretation [4]

Contacts:

Telerand Bowson [elf] (1): Telerand is the head supply clerk at the Ares subsidary where Sebastian worked, and after spending the better part of his life sitting alone in a little office, he is about as alienated and withdrawn as Sebastian is. Perhaps that's why they got along so well together.

They have kept in minimal contact, mostly so that Sebastian can keep abreast of developments at Ares, in case any other positions he could take arise.

Hard Luck Louis [troll] (1): It's Hard Luck to be someone Louis doesn't like...

He's a liuetenant in one of the larger gangs roaming the borders of the Barrnes, and he lead the group that 'welcomed' Sebastian to the neighborhood when he moved in. After Chicago, a handful of gangers on beat up bikes didn't faze him the slightest, but he showed them respect, paid the protection money, and when one of Louis' bike blew it's fuel line when raced the engine, Sebastian didn't laugh, or smirk, but calmly fixed it. Chicago also taught him that you take what allies you can get. He helps the gang out when they need minor repair work on their rides, and they respect him and his doss, and make sure others do too.

Louis got a boost of recognition for bringing such a useful resource to the gang, and shows some fondness for the useful, if strange, dwarf rigger.

Kuruma Nakagawa [ork] (2): Kuruma is probably one of the best street mechanics in Seattle, and one of the only people out there who would call Sebastian a friend. The fact of the matter is, since whenever they're together all they talk about is cars, Kuruma has never gotten around to noticing that there's anything wrong with the dwarf.

He runs a legit car repair, and towing business by day, getting most of his work from tourists who have a breakdown while in the 'scary' sections of Seattle. His night time dealings revovle around the chop shop he's got deep within the bowels of his autoyard. He can modify anything that moves, and a few things that can't. He'll even do a little weapon work, but nothing too illegal or heavy. He likes Seattle, and he doesn't want to have to worry about suddenly relocating elsewhere.

Backstory:
He's got a stare that can really set people on edge. He just sits there, doesn't blink, doesn't even seem to breath, his cyber eyes an opaque, and depthless black. He just sits, and watches, and people start to get nervous, wondering just what he's looking at? Is there something wrong with them, or is it something else?

Sebastian was born in Chicago, grew up there, and was trapped there when the bugs came out and the walls went up. He'd always been a quiet boy, with a fascination for cars, and had always viewed riggers, people who could actually become the car, with a sort of awe. When you were a rigger, it didn't matter who you were, or what you looked like, you could make the vehicle yours. That was a very imortant thing to Sebastian, because his body had set him apart from so much else. He had been born tiny, but so perfectly proportioned that it wasn't realized he was a dwarf until the standard genetic testing came back, and even after adolescense he could still be easily mistaken for a human child of thirteen or fourteen.

He got his first piece of cyber while in the CZ. His family, part of a small group of refugees, made a run for the sanctuary of the Wrigely dome. They were set on by a group of wasps. All he remembers is screams, a flash of... something, and then darkness. The next thing he could remember was waking up in a makeshift hospital and realizing there was something strange with his vision. His brother had managed to drag him, bleeding, half his face torn up by a talon slash, to the Wrigley Dome. There were several doctors and cyber physcians among the refugees there, and they replaced his eyes with parts from someone who didn't need them anymore.

The cyber eyes helped him live through, if not exactly survive Chicago. Everything that he saw through them seemed removed, like a trid program. He could pretend that it wasn't real, like the day the roaches tried to swarm through the Clark Street entrance, and his brother, manning a machine gun, was bitten in half, the roach running off with his legs, leaving the torso screaming and bleeding on the floor. It was just like any other bad slasher trid. They were all bad slasher trids. That was how he made himself so helpful in the makeshift hospital. It wasn't his hands helping to hold down a girl as the doctors tried to to put her insides back in. And those weren't real guts, just special effects. It made him a very reliable, and efficent person to rely on for many of the tasks of day to day life at Wrigley field.

When the wall came down, he moved in with distant relatives in Detroit. By then he had developed the stare, that way of watching the world like it was just another trid program. He recieved a job offer from Ares. His hard work at the dome had been noticed and commented on, and now that he lived in Ares home town, the megacorp was happy to reward him for his efforts. A small, rather boring site needed a security rigger, and Ares would install the rigging deck as part of the job. He agreed.

He did a good job, earned a good paycheck, and since he was in the motor city, he put most of that towards motors, tinkering with cars. He started having problems at work though. It wasn't that he was doing a bad job, but simply that he made people uncomfortable, just by being in the same room. They started putting him on night shifts, but even that didn't work out. He had shown to be a good employee so far, so the site managers offered him a promotion. He'd be a delivery driver for sensitive materials, and again to show how they valued his efforts, they would give him a VCR.

That was a job he excelled at. He rarely interacted with other people, and proved to be an excellent rigger. He liked becoming the vehicle. Nothing made them hurt, they just existed, going from one place to another. He came to love the Bulldog step van he usually drove. It was comfortable, secure, and it, along with thousands others like it spent all day trundling along, going from place to place completly oblivious to the rest of the world. They didn't even need to rest. Just feed them a little bit of fuel and off they went again.

Sebastian didn't like resting much. He couldn't stand the darkness, couldn't stand the thought of what might be moving around in it where he couldn't see. He needed to be able to see, always. Sleep was not any better. His waking mind knew that Chicago was far behind him, but his subconcious did not realize that, and every time he closed his eyes he was carried immediately back into the worst days at the Dome.

He upgraded his VCR, and realized he liked cyber, how each time he got a new piece it cut out a little more of his humanity, made him _feel_ a little less. However, in order to keep getting more 'ware, he had to start hunting out less and less reputable places to get it installed. He had too much wire in his head, real doctors wouldn't touch him, it was too risky. Sometimes, these 'doctors' would require favors as payment, things that only a rigger could do for them, and that was how Sebastian started to slowly slip into the shadows.

He got a chip habit, but a very odd one. He didn't got for the Better Than Life chips. Most of them he had to get custom, but he didn't have to worry about blowing ASIST ratings, the chips he slotted were closer to sensory deprivation rather than overload. Vast, murmuring, shifting crowds, the silent void of deep space, the drifting suspension beneath the surface of a blue and endless ocean, these were the fantasies that he retreated into.

He drove the getaway car for a team of runners taking a shot at an Azzie lab, and in exchange for that, and to make up for the bullets he caught in his shoulder, the team surgeon put him under the knife for a metabolic arrestor, and much more importantly, a sleep regulator. It helped him a little, keeping him away from the darkness and terror that much longer, but it was already too late.

Problems were arising at Ares again. He was doing a good job. Actually, he was doing an excellent job, and had saved his cargo from liberation by runners on multiple occasions, but even the minimal contact he was having with people was causing friction. Just the amount of time it took him to get an authorizes signature before releasing his delivery could leave someone jumpy for the rest of the day. Rumors were also starting to trickle into listening ears about just how he occupied himself in his off time. what His managers were sorry to do it, but they let him go.

So for a week, he sat, staring out at the street, sometimes eating, sometimes sleeping. Then, a 'doctor' called. They needed a favor _from_ him this time, a favor that needed to be done in Seattle, and they were willing to pay for it...

[Aes]

It'll only be the third, but I digress.

Ah well, I'll do it all over again, using the part costs and cf/loads from the customization bits instead. All wrapped up in a nice lil' excel sheet. I'm still fairly confident everything can be fitted into the car if I drop a few points worth of armor, unless the parts cost for customization are far greater than that of their DP values during design.

[Sandoval Smith]

Yeah, concealed armor is a real suck on both the CF and the load. That's probably the reason why most race cars don't have any. :D

[Aes]

Eh... Found some more addition errors. I'll juggle desig and customization about a bit. End result should be much the same. 'cept it'll follow the rules, have less armor (and cost a good deal less too, it seems. Whoop!)

Seeing as everyone wants to pick the car apart, I suppose I'll mail the excel sheet with all the calculations out to those who ask once it's done :P

[Sandoval Smith]

The problems just jumped out at me because I'd just finished doing my the gear for my own sports car and step van, and couldn't imagine how you'd gotten four points of concealed armor along with the rest of that onto a sports chassis.

[Aes]

Nah, what really jumped at me was that noone (until me, now) realized I had only paid 1/5th price for drive-by-wire (looked up the wrong chassis when determining cost). Serves me right for trying to warp my mind around the R3R rules at 2AM. Can anyone find any othe roversights in the design? Excel sheet I used to figure everything out will be sent upon request.

What I got after redoing calculations from scratch:

[ Spoiler ]

The Corsair v 2.0
Chassis: Sport car
Power Plant: Jet Turbine
Chassis value: 215 DP

Design options:
Smart Materials (100DP, pg. 118) (decreases handling to 3/7)
Acceleration increase (18) (450DP, pg. 115) (Smart materials to increase accel cap)
Speed Increase (220) (440DP, pg, 116) (Smart materials to increase speed cap)
Handling improvement (3/7 to 1/4) (125DP, pg. 115)
Improved Economy (6km/l to 7km/l) (100DP, pg. 115)
Fuel Tank Enlargement (30l) (3DP, -0.6 CF, pg. 115)
APPS x2 seats (60dp, pg. 131)
Crash cages (-10kg load, 40DP, pg. 132)
Roll Bars (0DP, pg. 133)
Increased Cargo Space (9CF) (45DP, pg. 115)
Increased Load Capacity (220kg) (22DP, pg. 115)
Total DP value: 1600
Design price: 160000 :nuyen:

Customization options:
Contigency Maneuver Controls lv. 3 (-2CF, -30kg load, pg. 128)
Rigger Adaptation (-1CF, -10kg load, pg. 130)
Concealed Armor (2) (-6CF (ouch), -90kg load, pg. 132)
Sensors (4) (-2CF, -35kg. load, pg. 147)
Anti-theft systems (6) w. proximity warning and electroshock (ZAP!) (pg. 150)
Photovoltaic chameleom paint (Pg. 153)
Performance runflat tires (x4) (pg. 154-155)
Morphing License Plate (pg. 100)
Library Transponder Chip rt. 6 (pg. 100)
Customization price: 44910 :nuyen:

Final Stats:
Body: 3
CF: 0,4
Load: 85
Handling: 1/4
Speed: 460
Accel: 36
Armor: 2
Autonav: -
Sensor: 4
Signature: 2
Seating: 2
Entry pts: 2d + 1t
Fuel: 90 litres (jet)
Economy: 7km/l
Price: 204910 :nuyen:

[Lindt]

This is w/o doing the math out, but consider sacking smart materials in favor of improved suspension and modified engine. Or DBW (but L1 is ¥35k-ish, so it may or may not be a bargin)

Now your seeing why I just modified a car insted of making one from scratch. :P

[Aes]

Oh, I fully aggree that I'd be short a dozen headaches if I had just taken a stock car and slapped som nitrous oxide injectors on it. But while I may loathe the design proces (possibly because I suck at it), I've a hard time imagining Ms. LeClerc settling for a stock car. I suppose I should've given her a smaller ego but c'est la vie. :P

[Lindt]

Heheh.
As the book mentioned though, keeping your load and CF REDUCTIONS apart from your designed load and CF ratings helps a lot.

[Nightcrawler472]

Kiedo - Yeah, but the Ford Focus in the UK is sodding impossible to drive 'cause you can't see anything out the back...

Anyway, will someone help me modify my car?

[Tarantula]

Night, I'll help you doublecheck all your stuff, I'm going to catch lunch with my friend shortly, but PM me the details, and I'll look over them sometime today for sure.

[Ecclesiastes]

Just so you guys know, my character will have an RV (highly moded) and a trailer that is a portable vehicle shop. So if you need a shop, I got ya covered.

[Tarantula]

For now, I just made my vehicle, its a light hovercraft, lemme know what you guys think about it. I'm gonna throw it up here while I go finish up my character.

[ Spoiler ]

Light Hovercraft
Body: 3
CF: 4/24
Handling: 3
Armor: 0
Autonav: 0
Sensor: 0
Seating: 2
Entry: 2d+1t

DP: 50
MarkUp: 2.0

Electric Fuel Cell
Load: 80/720
Speed: 75/210
Acceleration: 5/10
Sig: 5 (3)

DP: 32
6cf,100kg
-10kg
-2cf
-90kg
-4cf
Design Options:
Smart Materials: 100 (15% to speed)
+5 Acceleration: 125
+155 Speed: 310
Removed Manual Controls: 50, +2CF, +10kg
+10 Load: 1

Customizaton:
Engine Customization (+30 speed): 8
SunCell: 5
Turbocharging x2 (+15 speed, -2 sig): 75
Drive-by-wire 1(10% to speed): 38
Remote Control Interfaces: 75
Rigger Adaptation: 35
Crash Cage: 40, 10kg
Roll Bars: 0
APPS: 60
Sensors 5: 150
Electronics Ports: 10
Anti-Theft 6: 24
Improved Security
Electric Shock
Proximity Alert
Convertable Top: 0
Hovercraft Water Seals: 15
Photovoltaic Chameleon Paint: 50
Spotlight: 6
Adv Drone Pilot 2: 50
Concealed Armor 2: 100, -4CF, -90kg

Pop-up Remote Micro Turret: 100, 1cf
Enfield AS-7 w/50rnd Drum &SL2 internal 2500¥ 5xextra drums, 500¥
Shotgun Conversion Kit: 750¥
Gunnery Recoil Adjusters x3: 30
SL2 Integration Kit: 35

Morphing Plate: 5000¥
Transponder Library Chip 6: 4320¥
Oil Slick Sprayer: 600¥
IR Smoke Projector Large: 1200¥

DP Total: 1574
x2.0 Mark-up: 3148
Total Price: 314,800
+ ¥ Guns & Accessories: 329,670

Final Stats:
Body: 3
CF: 6 (Used 6)
Handling: 2
Armor: 2
Pilot: 2
Sensor: 5
Seating: 2
Entry: 2d+1t+1c
Load: 100 (Used 100)
Speed: 365
Acceleration: 10
Sig: 3

Weapons: Enfield on Front
Oil Slick Sprayer & Smoke Projector on back

[Lindt]

Bloody hell... I gotta keep my eyes on light hovers more. Those things are FAST...

[Kiedo]

nightcrawler472: but it's got nice looking bumper covers, I've been trying to find some for mine for about a year but I don't want to order them from ford cause they are $$$.

Ecclesiastes: thats basically what nikoli is doing except he's using a heavy transport. Not that it's a problem, you can never be too prepared.

Tarantula: A hovercraft? I hadn't planned for one of those but if you want it I'll work something out...

Everyone: With the character I just got today that makes 3 official characters, 6 pending (that includes the people who've just pitched ideas on the forum and not send in anything yet, such as tarantula, nightcrawler472, and ecclesiastes), not to mention the other couple of people who said I'm interested. But to my suprise no one has expressed an opinion as to wether they'd want two PC teams against one another, or one PC team against an NPC team(with or without a few people playing the npcs).

[Tarantula]

Kiedo, just for your information, hovercrafts function exactly as normal wheeled ground vehicles, with 2 differences. They can go over water, and their handling doesn't get affected by road/bumpy/bad terrain. Restricted/Tight terrain still applies though.

Lindt, they can take jet power too, but I figure, we already got one batmobile in the group, and besides, its a lot easier to refuel some electricity than jet fuel.

[Kiedo]

yeah I know they can but when I picture a hovercraft mentally driving down a road I always imaging a huge mostrosity that takes up four lanes and is full of marines. Yeah I just ment by that something that can use it's natural talents.

thats what I told him but he's got a pilot contact so I guess it's fine.

[Lindt]

Dude, 2 teams vs would kick ass. I care not if its PVP or PC vs NPC (with help).

Also, doing some fun charcter modifications, sending you them when they get done. Yes, history and contact info included.

And Aes, if you wanna save some CF and load, make it a 1 passanger car. Pulling the 2nd seat saves you 6CF and 100kg load, plus DPs on the APPS system.

[Tarantula]

For your sanity then: out of R3R it says that light hovercraft are comparible to a pickup or SUV in size. If that helps you out any.

[Sandoval Smith]

That's why I prefer Just taking an existing vehicle and customizing it. It usually results in less headaches.

Wow, it seems like we have shops coming out the wazoo, because Sebastian has one too.Going to be useful when we need to work on multiple vehicles.

[Kiedo]

tarantula: Ok I see what your talking about, it's good to see somebody with sanity in mind. lol Okay so a hovercraft, the size of a truck thats alot more reasonable than what I was picturing. Guess I should have checked rigger three before I said anything. Um one other thing, I noticed in you description of your vehicle that you put down smart materials, as improving speed by 15% you saw that it also increases acceleration and load by that too right? Because that would give you a max of 12 ACC, and 828 load. Oh and a very important thing with a final un customized price tag of 314,800, that would put the availability at 17(including the +1 avail for smart materials), which is almost double what a starting character can have.

Aes: I just thought of something when I was looking over tarantula's hovercraft. And I thought about the handling of your batmobile/saleen. It's 1/3 how does the rule of one apply to that vehicle because even if you roll all ones you still have all sucesses. Not to mention I think I remeber reading somewhere that you can't have a TN of less than 2 anyway(but that might just be for social interaction). Just as your going over the final touches on the corsair ou might take that into cosideration.

sandoval smith: yeah I know what you mean, funny part is I hadn't really planned on you guys needing them per se. But since you've got them, better not let them go to waste... I just hope there is no "NO, I'm working on the car" going on, as funny as it might be...

[Lindt]

its not +1 avil for smart materals.. Its +1 to the street index. Which (as its at cargen) dosent matter.

As far as handeling, I dont 'think' you can drop it below, 2, though I may be wrong. If so Im about to spend even MORE money...

But yeah, your WAY WAY over on BP. Max you could have is 1600, so trim down a bit. Most of that you can do with mods anyhow.