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Mostly Harmless  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176  |
McGivern's record set at the US Army 163rd Infantry Armory in Lewistown, Montana on September 13, 1932 is five shots 2/5ths of a second. 2/5ths of a second is 0.4 seconds. An attempt was made by McGivern to beat that record on January 18th, 1934 at the same range with time of 9/20ths of a second, or 0.45 seconds. Miculek has never made it within .05 of either number, AFAIK. At the event in question, Miculek (or agents of the event) attempted to acquire McGivern's timing gear from the National Firearms Museum in order to use it to time his attempt. The museum would not allow him to use it. It's interesting to note that five shots in 2/5ths of a second represents a cyclical rate of fire of 750 rounds per minute, or about as fast as an M16A2 fires in burst mode. |
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Feb 25 2005, 11:09 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Weighted dice so that he averages over 30 whenever he rolls, and often gets over 100? |
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Feb 26 2005, 12:13 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Yep.
Or Karma Pool. ~J |
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Feb 26 2005, 01:12 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
A guy with his speed would not have won very many gunfights in the 'old west'.
After his first or second gunfight, someone would shoot him in the back on his way out to the latrine. /Edit: I couldn't download it the first 3 times I tried, but it finally worked. It is possible the web site doesn't allow two people to download it at the same time, and this is the error it gives. |
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Feb 26 2005, 02:13 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
Ladies and gentlemen, a present-day physad. Didn't I read somewhere that some physical adepts can be totally unaware that they have magical talent? I can't remember where.
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Feb 26 2005, 03:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 22-November 02 From: Gordonsville, Virginia, U.S.A. (or C.A.S.) Member No.: 3,630 |
Not that I'm belittling Jerry Miculek, but check this out:
Bob Munden--The Fastest Gun to Ever Live What this man can do with a single-action Colt revolver is not to be believed. I've seen him on American Shooter (originally on TNN/SPIKE, now on OLN), and the videos back up his claim. In addition to the "draw and shoot in .21 seconds" claim, I've seen him fire five rounds from a single-action Colt revolver in just over eight-tenths of a second, and seven rounds from a Colt M-1911A1 semiautomatic pistol in 1.06 seconds. Disclaimer: I'm not certain of the exact times, because I haven't seen an episode of the show for quite a while. Check out the show if you're curious. ;) BTW: Keep in mind that it takes approximately fifteen one-hundredths of a second (0.15 seconds) to blink your eyes.) --Foreigner |
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Feb 26 2005, 04:04 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
I remember seeing and reading about this when it happened. I have had a question ever since, that I just now remember to ask:
Why revolvers? Without being familiar with the sport of quick draw, or speed shooting, do they have automatic classes? What's the difference? I think I now, but I'd rather hear it from someone who knows what the hell they are talking about. |
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Feb 26 2005, 06:16 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
Hmm. I've seen him in magazines and things. Didn't know he was in Butte. I'm not really into the whole single action revolver thing, but the next time I'm in Butte I might have to check out his shop. More impressive shit: On Guns & Ammo TV way back I saw Bill Oglesby repeatedly pop balloons at 200 yards with a 2" S&W J-frame in .38 Special. I guess the guy has a lot of money and free time.
Well, mostly because that's what they like to shoot. The quick draw contests are almost always done with a "wild west" bend to them, as part of a larger sport called "cowboy action shooting" in which everybody gets dressed up in period garb and shows off what they can do with 1860-90's era firearms. Kind of silly if you ask me, but that's what they like to do. The kind of "standard" gun for quick draw competition is the Colt 1873 Single Action Army revolver (or a gun heavily based on it), which was very popular during that time. Several companies still make them. With those revolvers, you have to manually cock the hammer prior to pulling the trigger to release it. Hence "single action". More info on that stuff here. The thing Jerry Miculek does is speed shooting with a double-action revolver (i.e. pressure on the trigger both cocks the hammer, then releases it). The upside is that cocking the hammer is part of the same action as releasing it, so it's faster. The down side is that the trigger is realtively heavy and has a longer stroke than a single action does, so it's difficult to control at that speed. There's not much more to it than just to see how fast a person can possibly shoot with that kind of revolver. I suppose you could do the same with a semi-auto, but it's not as much of a challenge. Firing rapidly from the single action mode (which all semi-autos do after the first round) with something that reloads automatically is just too easy, I guess. And reloading umpteen-round magazines cane be done really fast and with much less effort than it takes to reload a revolver. To give you an idea, here's a video of Todd Jarrett doing his thing. Keep in mind that A) he's not really chuggin' away at full speed here, and B) the targets he's shooting at tend to be a bit farther away. Semi-autos just speed the whole thing up significantly. Semi-auto shooters tend to compete by running courses in which the shooter engages a pre-set number of targets in as short a span of time as possible. There are several different leagues, competitions and courses, all with different rules. IDPA, IPSC, PPC, etc... The really high-speed competitions are usually done with significantly modified pistols based on the 1911. |
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Feb 26 2005, 06:48 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
Thanks, interesting little movie.
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Feb 26 2005, 08:57 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Interesting, and to think I skipped it because I thought it was about religion.
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Feb 26 2005, 11:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 478 Joined: 18-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 5,918 |
For some reason I now have the burning desire to cross a desert and chase a man in black. And I'm not talking about Johnny Cash.
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Feb 26 2005, 12:05 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Blondie!
~J |
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Feb 26 2005, 10:25 PM
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how about doing that in sr? say hello to some nasty desert critters and maybe some pissed of indians for me... |
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Feb 26 2005, 11:16 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Hmm, you know I've only read the first three of those... I must get around to finishing them. |
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Feb 27 2005, 02:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 478 Joined: 18-December 03 From: Louisville, KY Member No.: 5,918 |
Yes, yes you should. Probably the best series of books I've ever read.
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Feb 27 2005, 09:12 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
I can't get that link to work.
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Feb 27 2005, 11:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Forgot where his meat body was Member No.: 6,971 |
right-click -> save as
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Feb 27 2005, 10:52 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
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My god thats fast!!!!!! I shoot shot guns and i would love to be able to do a skeet run with that speed!!! is he on drugs? we don't get peeps like that in England! torz x |
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 345 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Leeds, UK Member No.: 4,046 |
looks at Torz's location... Is Wales part of England, then? Always thought so :D |
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
i always thought wales and england were part of "Great Britian" but seperate. ya know, kinda like cali and the usa :grinbig: |
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
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to be correct which i didn't point out Wales is its own country well almost with its own government ......... i should know i work for them........ dam rumbled..... All statements made by this person are not views held by the National Assembly for Wales.............. hehehhe oops torz x |
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