 Was i BLIND or what?, About a certain movie.... |
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 Oct 31 2003, 04:28 PM
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Ron Perlman and that guy in the wheelchair from Aliens just played in another movie together. A French Sci-Fi flick called "City of Lost Children". Definatley has a SR/Cyberpunk feel to it.
Check out the Flea Circus Owner in it for the absolute coolest way to kill someone ever. I got down on my hands and knees and begged my GM for a pet flea after I saw it. |
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Oct 31 2003, 05:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 4-August 03 From: Amidst the ruins of Silicon Valley. Member No.: 5,242 |
Books:
"Svaha", by Charles deLint. It's quite far from his usual urban fantasy stuff, and since he wrote it as a speculative fiction piece in 1989 some of his predictions are wildly off. Nonetheless, good for capturing the Shadowrun feel. "Nightside City", by Lawrence Watt-Evans. The setting and grittiness of the story definitely mirrored the dark urban setting in SR. An interesting alternative take on the whole "evil corporations-dark future" thing can be found in Matthew Woodring Stover's duology "Heroes Die" and "Blade of Tyshalle". Not to mention that it actually does have a good measure of magic and metaraces, though with an unusual twist. :ork |
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Oct 31 2003, 05:47 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 30-October 03 From: France Member No.: 5,775 |
mens , the whole Gibson's book : fragment of a hologram rose , virtual light (why it's bad to steal sunglasses), idoru , Neuromancer (Street Sam side) , Mona Lisa Overdrive , count Zero (Decker side)
Dunno the authors: On the shockwave Hardwired |
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Oct 31 2003, 05:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 188 Joined: 16-June 03 From: Da Burgh, PA Member No.: 4,751 |
This particular book I've loaned out to five previous players I ran or GM'd for... I have yet to get these loaners back and have purchased this book six times. I am single handedly keeping this book in reprint. So please don't bother returning them. ;) |
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Oct 31 2003, 05:55 PM
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Minority Report would have been a great movie if they ended it with Cruise being halo'd. But no, Spielberg had to fuck up what until then had been a really good movie, and a good SR influence. The ending pissed me off so much I will never watch that piece of crap again.
Brother was okay. I don't know if it's really a useful reference for anything though. |
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Oct 31 2003, 06:11 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Altered Carbon, by Richard K Morgan. He's a new brit cyberpunk author and this book totally got the feel of the whole universe. Too many recent books seem to be focusing on the cyber and ignoiring the punk that's the whole point of it - the drugs and violence and sex and general dehumanization, the antihero as main character, and the lack of any "good guy" anywhere. Morgan gets it pretty well, I blew through this book in an evening or two and was very impressed.
I'd second Neuromancer and Hardwired as well. And of course there's always Snow Crash, if you're feeling a bit lighthearted. I'm not going to bother posting movies 'cause it's all been done. :) |
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Oct 31 2003, 06:25 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Snow Crash really was great. I might get some flak for this, but I personally enjoyed it more than Neuromancer (it didn't take itself as seriously, for one).
To save people the work of listing every cyberpunk novel and some trips to the library, there's an excellent cyberpunk library online: http://project.cyberpunk.ru/lib/ These are all in English and you can just download the HTML file. (This does include Johnny Mnemonic, Mona Lisa Overdrive and Neuromancer.) |
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Oct 31 2003, 06:44 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 30-October 03 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 5,767 |
Anyone ever read Dhalgren by Samuel Delaney? The entire mood of it seems very shadowrunnish to me.
I also have to toss a coin in for the Anita Blake vampire hunter series by Laurel K Hammilton. The books are an excellent popcorn read and are interesting and well researched. I could see the world of AB and the world of shadowrun going hand in hand. As for movies, I can't name anything that hasn't already been covered by someone else. |
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Oct 31 2003, 06:59 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams.
Voice of the Whirlwind by WJ Williams When Gravity Fails by George Alec Effinger I posted this to another thread as well, so I apologize for the seeming double-post. -Siege |
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Oct 31 2003, 07:07 PM
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try Savalette Guardian |
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Oct 31 2003, 07:07 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Oh right, When Gravity Fails. Really interesting, since just about every other cyberpunk book I've ever read has been very America-or-Western-Europe-centric, and Gravity is set in an islamic cyberpunk world. The sequels A Fire in the Sun and The Exile Kiss also rule, though not as much. Apparently there's more short stories set in this world in Budayeen Nights which I haven't read.
Joan D Vinge's Cat series: Psion, Catspaw, and Dreamfall are set quite a bit further forward than the 2060s but have a great gritty street-level feel to them, and the main character (a telepath half-breed) faces a lot of what I imagine the Awakened have to go through when dealing with mundanes. Also highly recommended, though Catspaw is the best of the three. Psion was her first book, written at 16 or something, and it shows. Also I forgot to mention John Shirley's magnificent Eclipse trilogy: Eclipse, Eclipse Corona, and Eclipse Penumbra. A wonderful near-future series with some very interesting looks at globalization. My current campaign is called Six Kinds of Darkness, in homage to Shirley. 8) |
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Oct 31 2003, 07:13 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Gravity also deals with p-fix chips and skill chips (without skillwires). Although they're called "addies" or "moddies".
There was actually a CP2020 sourcebook written by Effinger based on the Gravity novel. -Siege |
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Oct 31 2003, 07:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 4-August 03 From: Amidst the ruins of Silicon Valley. Member No.: 5,242 |
I knew I'd forgotten something! Yeah, Catspaw is fantastic, and definitely captures the "filthy street existence" vs. "opulent elite" dichotomy that often manifests in Shadowrun as well. The whole "multinational corp" feel is there as well... and in some cases, is even a lot more vicious than SR. The prejudice that often shows up against Cat, though, seems more akin to that surrounding metahumanity than around magicians. Magic appears to have been quickly accepted in the SR 'verse. For a look at television series following that theme, one excellent example was Joss Whedon's "Firefly". Unfortunately Fox, being the bastards that they are, cancelled the series before it had time to do a dozen episodes, to replace it with "Joe Millionaire". Crime to be done, great characters, high technology, evil corps/governments... lots of fun all around. |
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Oct 31 2003, 07:43 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 26-February 02 From: USS John F Kennedy Member No.: 1,491 |
Gibson is considered the father of "cyberpunk" genre SciFi. The short story for "Johnny Mnemonic "appears in an anthology by Gibson called "Burning Chrome" still available for sale at your favorite used bookstore. If your searching for used bookstores my fav is http://www.half.com Just about anything by Gibson or Phillip K. Dick (who wrote "Minority Report" I think "Total Recall" is also his) Bruce Sterling and Spider Robinson are regulars in my Shadowrun library. A book called "Bodyguard" by William C. Dietz is intresting for its shadowrun parallels. I confess to owning "Johnny Mnemonic" on DVD despite how bad the acting was. In fact, I think I have all of these movies except "Strange Days", which is difficult to find for sale, though most blockbusters have it for rent. |
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Oct 31 2003, 08:03 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 21-August 03 From: Gold Coast, Australia Member No.: 5,528 |
Logan's Run (William F. Nolan)...
'nuff said. |
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Oct 31 2003, 08:13 PM
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Maybe for an iffy description of what a corporate enclave would be like and possibly the remote concept of a Former Company Man and Deus... but for the most part, the rest of the movie has little to no real similarity to Shadowrun as far as I can remember. |
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Oct 31 2003, 08:15 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 21-August 03 From: Gold Coast, Australia Member No.: 5,528 |
I am referring to the novel. I have never seen the movie but am told is vastly different.
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Oct 31 2003, 08:21 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Uh, yeah, that movie SUCKS.
"Kelp! Sea greens! Plankton! Protein from the sea!" |
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Oct 31 2003, 08:59 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,035 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Anahiem, CA Member No.: 100 |
This is the coolest damn thing I've ever seen on the net. Thank you so much for posting that link! :eek: |
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Oct 31 2003, 09:08 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Actually CP had a couple of those. They brought in Walter John Williams to consult and released a Hardwired sourcebook too. It's not very good unfortunately. |
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Oct 31 2003, 09:11 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
I knew about Gravity and Hardwired -- were those the only two? Gravity was actually pretty good, but I'll second the not-so-great opinion of Hardwired. -Siege |
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Nov 1 2003, 12:10 AM
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I'll just quote AK404:
AFAIK the Ares Predator was specifically based on his gun, which was IRL a modified Beretta 9mm. I've also seen keychain toys based on the same design, because, well, people are fucked up. |
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Nov 1 2003, 12:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 9-October 03 Member No.: 5,702 |
It syncs cuz SR was ripped off from Gibson. Why he didn't get a law suit going I have no idea. |
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Nov 1 2003, 01:15 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Robocop's gun was called the OCP Auto-9, because (I think) It was a 9mm automatic
The gun in of itself was a Beretta 93, which is burst fire capable, with a ported and extended barrel, for the impressive muzzle flash. The gun was then copied down and appeared as the Ares Predator in the original shadowrun book. Also featured was the 2019 Detective Special/PK-D Blaser (Take your pick of name) from Blade Runner, starring as the Holdout Pistol, If I remember correctly. |
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Nov 1 2003, 01:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 22-November 02 From: Gordonsville, Virginia, U.S.A. (or C.A.S.) Member No.: 3,630 |
NeO ZeN:
If you're interested, Nolan wrote two sequels to "Logan's Run"--"Logan's World" and "Logan's Search". :) You should be able to find the books at any on-line bookstore, such as www.amazon.com or www.bn.com. I'm not certain if the film version of "Logan's Run" was an attempt to eventually adapt the entire trilogy to the screen, but you're right about one thing--the novel was much better, although I personally feel that the technology showcased in the film was more in keeping with the era they were attempting to portray. (I mean, the novel would have you believe that the "New You" shops could perform surgery almost at the genetic or molecular level [I think--I read "Logan's Run" a LONG time ago--while I was in junior high school, IIRC--and I don't remember it all that well], yet they wanted us to believe that the Sandmen essentially used revolvers--albeit highly advanced ones-- firing cartridges loaded with special projectiles. IIRC, they were conventional except that they, essentially, fired caseless (or at least, electrically-primed) ammunition. I find that a little hard to swallow. :) --Foreigner |
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