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[Fortune]

What canon spell would you think would be most appropriate to simulate clothing on a naked metahuman form?

This could be useful, for instance when a Mage ceases to sustain a Shapechange spell, or a unclothed Ally Spirit wants to materialize in it's human form wearing setting-approriate clothing.

Would Entertainment or Trid Entertainment be enough? Or would you need to go all out and use Phantasm or Trid Phantasm?

[hahnsoo]

Umm, Create Clothing (drain code +1 S, by my reckoning)? With successes (up to force) giving you the number of people you could clothe, or the quality of the clothing (1 success = Rags or Scrubs, 2 successes = M.C.Hammer Pants and vest, 3 successes or higher = normal clothing)? :D

I would argue that depending on the character, the viewers might WANT to be voluntary for the illusion spell. ("Dear Ghost! Get some pants on, boy!")

[LinaInverse]

Unstable molecues...! Oh wait...

OK, "Fashion" says you have to end up with a similar amount of coverage as you started with, so that alone won't do it. Perhaps make a custom Manip spell; there already exist spells to Create Food/Water aren't there? How about a spell to Create Cloth, wrap it around your body, then use "Fashion" to shape it appropriately? Or even better, combine these into 1 spell (and up the Drain accordingly).

[Fortune]

Yeah, I considered Fashion and Makeover as being not quite right.

Making a new spell wouldn't be difficult. I just really wanted to use one already in canon (if possible), because sometimes GMs can be picky that way. :)

[torzzzzz]

I would use trid Phantasm, as it is flexible and can't be picked up by technological systems, assuming you know what clothing you want and that you have seen them (only a blind person with no hands would not ) you can recreate it.

torz x ;)

[Fortune]

Yeah, that was my original thought, but the Drain Code's a bitch for that simple a spell.

[Aes]

And once you walk through an AA area with your trid phantasmic pants and a LS cop gets a lucky roll to resist the illusion, what then?

Worse, what if Bubba the Love Troll resists it in the barrens?

[Kagetenshi]

It's not illusory, but if you have something that covers your arms, legs, and head you ought to be able to Fashion it into a T-shirt and shorts.

Is this a geas?

~J

[Kanada Ten]

I'd just use Mask, either as the base drain for a resisted "Entertainment" or as is. Entertainment is voluntary, so the second they think "he should put some cloths on" you'd be covered in the "obviously magical" clothing you cast.

[Fortune]

My real reason for wanting it is for an Ally Spirit. I dislike making the metahuman form that always wears the same clothing, and if I did, it wouldn't be considered 'real' clothing, so would be unaffected by the Fashion Spell. It is also not always conveniant to carry spare apparel for the Ally on the off-chance that it will be needed.

The obvious benefit to frequent users of the Shapechange spell is just a bonus.

[tisoz]

I'd go with Mask or Physical Mask. Make it touch range for minimal drain.

[JaronK]

You could create a limited self only version of Physical Mask that can only change the look of your clothing. The drain code wouldn't be too bad.

JaronK

[Fortune]

Physical Mask makes sense. I just wasn't sure if it affected (or in this case added) clothing. I have no problems with using the Personal option.

[Kanada Ten]

Can Indirect Illusions even have a Touch range?

[Fortune]

According to the chart in MitS pg. 55, they can.

[Eyeless Blond]

So, in conclusion:

Create Clothes (Illusion)
Type P Target 4 Dur S Drain +1(L)
Creates an illusary set of clothes. Successes can be used to improve quality of clothing produced (1 success = up to Ordinary; 2 successes = up to Fine; 3 successes = up to Tres Chic.) To make Fine or Tres Chic clothing the caster must also make a Modern Fashion (6) or (9) Knowledge test, respectfully.

Create Clothes (Physical: Transformation Manip)
Type P Target 4 Dur P Drain +1(S)
Creates an actual set of clothes. Successes can be used to improve quality of clothing produced (1 success = up to Ordinary; 2 successes = up to Fine; 3 successes = up to Tres Chic.) To make Fine or Tres Chic clothing the caster must also make a Modern Fashion (6) or (9) Knowledge test, respectfully. Clothing created in this way is fragile: it has no protective value, and will only last for one day per Force of the spell.

Sound about right?

(Edit): Changed as per below conversation.

[Kagetenshi]

I think you make it too easy to make Trés Chic clothing, personally.

~J

[Crimson Jack]

Maybe stage it 1 success (ordinary), 3 successes (Fine), and 5 successes (Tres Chic).

[hahnsoo]

[Eyeless Blond]

Good point, though personally I think the "tough" part of making Tres Chic clothing should be the associated Knowledge skill test. The clothes themselves are easy to make; it's the design that's hard. So maybe the associated fashion skill test should be (6) for Fine and (9) for Tres Chic? That way Fine clothing is really really hard to default on, and Tres Chic can't be defaulted on at all.

[Fortune]

Yeah, I checked and Illusion cannot be Caster Only.

I do think the Drain Codes on those two spells listed is a bit high, since Mask and Physical Mask are only M and +1M respectively.

Also, I'm not sure about the Knowledge Skill roll, as even the Fashion spell has no such need of any associated skill in clothes sense.

[Eyeless Blond]

[hahnsoo]

When they said that Thread Magic was being written back into the game, I didn't know that this was what they were talking about. :D

[JaronK]

Completely overpowered. Think about it... you could use this spell to create a nasty, scary holloween costume... and then with a drain code of just +1(S), you'd have made horror threads!

:D

JaronK

[torzzzzz]