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 Mar 9 2005, 04:18 AM
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Free Spirit  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920  |
Absolutely. I would give the ally a clothed form, just in case the illusion fails. Then they are not nude. I see the ally's clothes as part of the ally, not actual clothing that can be put on or taken off. So using mask to change the spirits attire is like using mask to change facial features. If you see ally clothing as removable, then you are using masking to alter their attire. I don't think I would allow Fashion to alter the ally's appearance. It is a being not a piece of clothing. Makeover? That depends on how much you think you can alter an appearance with it. I usually think of it like a trip to the salon. But some of these makeover tv shows might broaden the idea to include the salon, the gym, the plastic surgeon, and of course the clothing boutique. Luckily, this hasn't come up for me.
Mile high club? :D |
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Mar 9 2005, 04:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 171 Joined: 5-February 05 Member No.: 7,053 |
Oh dear... |
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Mar 9 2005, 04:36 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
At least that second quote is not mine. :P
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Mar 9 2005, 04:53 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I was assuming she meant the book, but I'm an old fart so my hormones are no longer raging.
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Mar 9 2005, 04:48 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I would rather not, but not for the reason that first comes to most Dumpshocker's minds. :D Or at least not only for that reason! ;)
That was my thinking as well. The clothing (if any) would actually be part and parcel of the Ally itself.
If I saw the Ally's clothes as removable, then technically Fashion should work just fine.
I mentioned Makeover because of the thread about a month ago where there was some discussion about just what the spell entailed. I believe as you do, that it only simulates a visit to a salon and a sprucing-up and cleaning of any worn clothing.
Nor me until now, which is quite surprising. I want the character to be able to call on and utilize the Ally in many different social settings though, and just one defined set of clothes just doesn't seem to cut it.
You never know. If the character plays his cards right ... :P :D |
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Mar 9 2005, 04:57 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
So did I, but it looks decidedly different when taken out of context. ;) |
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Mar 9 2005, 07:08 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
I meant the broader use of the makeover spell.
I've had the ally appearance thing come up before. One solution was a variety of forms in different attire. A Force 6 spell may cost 6 karma and needs sustained, and can be resisted. It makes spending 6 karma for 6 additional easier to swallow. |
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Mar 9 2005, 07:31 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
That makes sense. It'd just be hard to keep up with the fashion trends. Can you give an Ally new forms later in the Ritual of Change? If so, how much would it cost?
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Mar 9 2005, 08:42 AM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
I assume 1 karma per additional form, like it says in the text. :)
One thing about the ally conjuring rules that I really dislike is how expensive Knowledge skills are for allies. It's like the writers wanted all ally spirits to be dumb. :P |
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Mar 9 2005, 09:02 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Does it specify that cost for the Ritual of Change, or only for the initial summoning? Every other cost is higher in the changing ritual. Does it even state that it is possible to add forms after the fact? |
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Mar 9 2005, 08:54 AM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
Well it had been a long day and it was late! heheheheh, I think I do need help! Anyone willing to give it? torz x :D |
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Mar 9 2005, 09:53 AM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
You know, I never thought about that before. I just sort of assumed you could add forms, but reading through that section again it seems like you can't. Huh. |
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Mar 9 2005, 09:46 AM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
Heh, I might, but I live on the wrong half of the planet I think. :P |
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Mar 9 2005, 10:41 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yeah, I got a chance to re-read it as well, and couldn't find any reference. |
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Mar 9 2005, 10:59 AM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
I guess it puts the incredibly expensive Knowledge skill thing into perspective.
A little. Oh, and why, when an ally has an Int score, do they roll their Force for Perception tests? Is it just me, or is that a stupid rule? |
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Mar 9 2005, 11:28 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Is it for all Perception tests in general, or just the Astral Watch power? I think it makes sense if it's just the Astral Watch power, especially when it's a "guard this area" type of Astral Watch. It would be analogous to the rules for Elementals. EDIT: I take that back, for Elementals, it's Intelligence as well (which is normally equal to Force anyway). So no, it doesn't make sense. :-P |
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Mar 9 2005, 12:12 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
Shame! ;) TORZ X |
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Mar 9 2005, 12:25 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I guess it's just that metahuman skills are all pretty much alike to Spirits.
Idiotic rule! No matter what reason they are rolling Perception, it should be Intelligence. |
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Mar 9 2005, 12:56 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
When does an Ally not have an Intelligence equal to its Force?
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Mar 9 2005, 12:59 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
You know, it's times like this I don't know if I'm pleased or mildly disturbed to discover a fellow shadowrunner a mere half-hour's drive away... |
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Mar 9 2005, 12:52 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
An Ally Spirit's mental Attributes are the same as its conjurer's are when it is summoned, while the physical ones are equal to its Force. The physical Attributes can be raised, either at the time it is first summoned, or later in a Ritual of Change, but its mental ones can never change. |
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Mar 9 2005, 12:59 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
OK, I get it now. Good rule, or people with high Intelligence would have highly perceptive Ally Spirits for a low cost. |
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Mar 9 2005, 01:03 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
LOL, we know where you live!! Bwahahahahaha! torz x :D |
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Mar 9 2005, 01:08 PM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
And there's something wrong with that? What happens when the master is using the Sense link power to look through the spirit's eyes? Does he use his own Perception or the allies? |
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Mar 9 2005, 01:09 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
His own, I'd imagine. |
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