 Trolls and Dermal Sheathing, Book ninjas...ATTACK! |
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 Mar 9 2005, 12:15 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 22-July 04 From: East Lansing, MI Member No.: 6,506  |
I was under the impression that the body bonus from dermal sheathing supersedes that that trolls get naturally, but now that I actually look, I can't find where it says so. If anyone can confirm or deny this (preferably with a reference), I'd appreciate it.
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Mar 9 2005, 12:38 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
There is nothing(yet) that says that the bonus from dermal sheathing suspersedes the troll racial bonus.
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Mar 9 2005, 01:02 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 22-July 04 From: East Lansing, MI Member No.: 6,506 |
Alright, thanks. The closest thing I could find one way or the other is that the dermal armor SURGE effect from year of the comet says specifically that it stacks with dermal plating and sheathing, so this makes sense I guess.
</ninja action="attack"> -Joe |
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Mar 9 2005, 05:01 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
What are you saying? That a troll could be at Body 16(17), and if they raise their body to 17 they lose the dermal armor?
I play it that they can raise the Body attribute to 17. The dermal armor bonus makes it 17(18). The dermal armor bonus does not affect the karma they pay to raise the attribute, it is a racial trait like Thermographic vision or +1 Reach. Saying the Dermal Armor bonus needs added when figuring the Attribute Maximum is like adding the Dwarf racial trait of +2 Body for resisting disease or toxin to Body when determining their Attribute Maximum. |
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Mar 9 2005, 05:07 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
I'm fairly certain he wanted to know if they stacked, nothing at all was mentioned about racial attributes.
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Mar 9 2005, 06:33 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
The only way trolls lose their natural dermal armor is if they go full cyber-replacement or have it removed through gene tech.
Also, if you target cyberlimbs they wouldn't get the bonus for that limb. |
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Mar 9 2005, 09:00 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 |
No bonus to attribute, just one extra die to resist. They DO gain immunity to Fleshette weapons though (read through the rules for flechettes, Dermal armour ignore raised damage code)
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Mar 9 2005, 11:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 486 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Fomorian Wastes Member No.: 6,538 |
Troll's dermal armour is bone growths on the surface, right?
Should/could/would trolls recieve additional BOD modifiers when using bone lacing? 'Cos if they plate ALL their bones when undergoing 'lacing it going to be very similar to dermal plating. |
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Mar 9 2005, 01:19 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
It's calcified deposits, not quite "bone growths". The skeletal structure of a troll is still analogous to that of most humans (just bigger), and that's the part that is reinforced with bone lacing. |
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Mar 9 2005, 03:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 486 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Fomorian Wastes Member No.: 6,538 |
Just idle thoughts, really
I don't have the BBB with me, but a quick google brought back the work of... Corrected Weights & Measures (and Why They're Useful) for Characters in FASA's Shadowrun Game by Patrick Goodman ... he refers to "bony deposits" and "bone desposits" and uses the weight of bone within his calculations. I might be caught out by SR3 specifics, but I could have sworn that at least at some point troll dermal armour was described as being bone or repeatively refered to as bony. I suppose it comes down to how the bone lacing is actually installed in a (meta)-human. I can't remember seeing, and if I have I've forgotten, a canon description of how the operation is handled. Depending on how it is down there is a valid arguement that the calcified deposits (same surface compounds as bone) could also be considered plated. Something for pondering. |
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Mar 9 2005, 08:56 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Bony, probably, but I doubt it's actual bone, considering that they are asymmetrical in distribution. Actual bone is continually modeled and remodeled based on the growth and aging of the creature. Bone lacing is done by nanites, which selectively target the bone matrix (probably some of the I-can't-remember-the-name canals between osteoblasts) and reinforce the structure by working woven metal mesh through the bones. A crude form of this is already done today in some reconstructive surgeries. Calcified deposits would be similar to bone, as to allow laypeople to consider them "bony" or "bone", but they wouldn't be actual bone. As it is described in SR, the troll's deposits are bumps and "warts" all over their skin. Adding bone lacing wouldn't significantly increase their protective value, as the bonus from bone lacing comes from an overall structural integrity granted by the metal/ceramic/kevlar/plastic mesh. |
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