 NPC Help, Need MAX Body |
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 Mar 9 2005, 01:16 AM
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Resident Legionnaire  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550  |
I'm working on a villian for an upcoming run and need this guy to have maximum body attribute.
Just a race, metavariant, and edges + cyberware/bioware So far the best I have been able to do is: Troll <Giant Metavariant> -Exceptional Att. (Body) -Toughness -Phenotypic Alteration (+1 Body) -Dermal Sheath 3 -Titanium Bone Lacing I got I think 19(20) Body outta this. Is there any way to go higher, or are my numbers screwy? Very, very tired... |
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Mar 9 2005, 01:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 407 Joined: 22-March 04 Member No.: 6,183 |
Increase Body health spell. Force Awesome. Sustaining focus. Force Awesome. Pick a number. With magic, there really isn't a limit.
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Mar 9 2005, 01:22 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Make him an adept also, with a magician sustaining the body spell on him, and then use increase body adept power.
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Mar 9 2005, 01:14 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Is magic all that's left? I would like all this guy's crap to be "his own".
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Mar 9 2005, 01:33 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
If you want the guy to be a mundane, you forgot to include 2 cyberlimbs and a Suprathyroid Gland. |
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Mar 9 2005, 01:36 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
What about the Toughness edge? It only applies to damage resistance and it might be incompatible (don't have SRComp 3).
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Mar 9 2005, 01:42 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
If this guy has a RML of 13 then is his racial max a 19 or a 20? If it's twenty then I guess i can squeeze a bit more body.
Any word on if that toughness edge is compatible? I seem to remember it was. edit: The damage resistance is all I'm really worried about :) |
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Mar 9 2005, 01:34 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Is just regular Dermal Plating incompatible with Dermal Sheathing? Because if it isn't, you forgot that, too.
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Mar 9 2005, 02:08 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
SURGE Dermal Deposits.
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Mar 9 2005, 02:28 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
Perversely with the inc body spell you get better results with low starting body.
Consider casting a force 6 inc body with 12 dice to cast (starting char) Starting body 6 gives maybe 2 successes, new body 8 Starting body 5 gives probably 4 successes, new body 9 Starting body 4 gives probably 6 successes, new body 10 Starting body 3 gives probably 8 successes, new body 11 Starting body 2 gives probably 10 successes, new body 12 I am not shore wether you can cast reduce tribute to get more successes on increase attribute. And then drop the reduction spell Edward |
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Mar 9 2005, 02:43 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Not according to the FAQ, and that's a ruling I totally agree with. |
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Mar 9 2005, 02:55 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
I agree too. But I have been told otherwise. The question becomes what happens when somebody had reduce attribute cast on them, then increase attribute and finally the reduce attribute is dropped. Example Starting strength 5 Reduce attribute with 2 successes. Check point 1 strength 3 Increase attribute (force 6) roll 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 Checkpoint 2 strength 9 (3+TN 3, I think so) or 6 (3+TN 5) or 8(5+TN5 reduction spell dispelled) Drop reduce attribute Checkpoint 3 what is the new strength especially if we didn’t record roles on previous casting. Edward |
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Mar 9 2005, 03:22 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
The FAQ says ...
I would rule that the second spell would not work while the first in being sustained if done in the order set out your example, or that the second spell works to cancel the first if done in the opposite order (Increase then Decrease). |
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Mar 9 2005, 06:25 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
It is every 2 successes increases the attribute by one up to maximum equal to the force of the spell. A force 6 spell could only raise an attribute of 2 to 8. So using your successes you would get: Starting body 6 gives maybe 2 successes, new body 7 Starting body 5 gives probably 4 successes, new body 7 Starting body 4 gives probably 6 successes, new body 7 Starting body 3 gives probably 8 successes, new body 7 Starting body 2 gives probably 10 successes, new body 7 |
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Mar 9 2005, 07:47 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
For the equivalent of a starting character, you can have:
Body: 6 Giant metavariant: +5 Bonus Attribute Point Edge: +1 Toughness Edge: +1 Dermal Sheath: 3: +4 Titanium Bone Lacing: +2 2 Cyberlegs : +2 Suprathyroid Gland: +1 Phenotype Alteration: +1 That's 23 dice. If he has been improving his "natural" Body past the starting maximum, then he can have even more. For pure dice, a troll is actually better, since they get natural dermal armor, and giants don't. |
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Mar 9 2005, 08:07 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
And Trolls cost less character points (not that most people keep all that much track with NPCs, but still).
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Mar 9 2005, 08:40 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Instead of a Giant, use a SURGling Troll with Dermal Deposits for greater effect.
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Mar 9 2005, 08:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 407 Joined: 22-March 04 Member No.: 6,183 |
Don't forget Calcitonin.
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Mar 9 2005, 08:05 PM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
Lying around here somewhere I have a technically-legal starting character that exceeded all of this stuff. Let me fire up NSRCG and see what I can do.
Troll Adept Exc. Att: Body Bonus Att. Point: Body Toughness SURGE Dermal Deposits Titanium Bone Lacing, Alpha Dermal Sheath 3 Suprathyroid gland Calciotonin Phenotypic alteration (Body) You then geasa the lost Magic, and buy 6 levels of Improved Body We are now at 20 (29) Body. That should be enough for your purposes. :vegm: |
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Mar 9 2005, 09:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 280 Joined: 22-October 03 Member No.: 5,757 |
And he'll only clock in at 4 metrickfucktons of weight. Jeez. ;)
I forget who has a calculator for Shadowrun weights based on bod and STR, but this ultrabod troll won't have enough strength in his legs to carry himself. |
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Mar 10 2005, 07:21 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Well, that'll take care of Powerbolts and stuff for ya, sure enough.
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Mar 10 2005, 07:48 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 11-February 05 Member No.: 7,079 |
Dont forget that a giant metavariant is a poor choice for that because they do not gain the dermal armor of regular trolls.Thats one less body die to roll. So just make it a simple troll, however the giant would be more intimidating for game effect.
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