 RL Firearms Question, ATF site is crap... |
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 Mar 15 2005, 01:07 AM
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Resident Legionnaire  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550  |
I was looking at a FN Five-Seven pistol on an online auction recently. Unfortunately, I can't purchase this weapon in stupid California. Now, if I purchase it through a website or online auction, can I have it sent to a FFL dealer in Nevada or Arizona and pick it up there? Or do I have to be a resident of either of these states?
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Mar 15 2005, 01:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
You can't transfer the pistol across states lines. Hence, why it has to be shipped to a FFL holder. The FFL holder does have to be in your state of residence. I'm sorry that you live in a communist country. :(
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Mar 15 2005, 01:38 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
You live in California? For $100 I can get you an AK...legally. Yes.
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Mar 15 2005, 01:37 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
What Solstice said. You have to be a resident in the same state as the FFL dealer who handles your NICS paperwork. If he can't bring it in, you don't get it.
No you can't. You maybe able to get some severely jacked-up semi-auto AK with a couple of 10 round magazines, but you aren't getting any real AK legally in California as a civilian. |
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Mar 15 2005, 01:55 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Thats why I put legally after the ellipse. Indicating I wasn't really meaning it was legal.
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Mar 15 2005, 02:05 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Heh, I'm a big AK fan too =)
I got a chance to use this pistol for a while overseas (we found it on a dead guy!), and I fell in love with it. California is a damned bitch of a state. What can I do with this pistol that i can't do with my mini14? What can i do with 20 rounds that I can't do with 10 for that matter??? Stupid, stupid, stupid laws. |
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Mar 15 2005, 02:31 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Well, for one the ammunition is armor piercing.
For two...well, there isn't a two. |
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Mar 15 2005, 02:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
huh?????? :eek: |
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Mar 15 2005, 02:38 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Not any more than your average hunting rifle.
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Mar 15 2005, 03:24 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Yes, but you can't carry a hunting rifle around concealed.
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Mar 15 2005, 03:28 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
It fires 5.7x28mm ammunition. Looks kinda like a smaller version of the 5.56 round and was designed to give better than average body armour penetration - it's advertised as being able to penetrate PAGST armour at 300m from what I've read. To do with the steel/aluminium core, the front third being made of steel, of the bullet apparently. This thing was designed as the sister weapon of the P90, Raygun also has the Five-seveN written up, and a quick schpiel about the 5.7 ammunition as well just to keep this at least slightly Shadowrun related. :) |
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Mar 15 2005, 03:49 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
I'm just bitter damnit. California sticks to it's dumb laws and with me wanting to be a good citizen, I have to abide by them. Crap, the only other way this is happening is if I become a cop, and then I'm not even sure if they can get them.
It's not fair that criminals who break the laws can get ahold of them and I am being punished for not breaking them and trying to aquire the weapon legally. If I wanted one illegally, I'd have one already damnit. I guess that just does it. I guess I'm officially moving to Utah now. edit: Sorry for the "poor me"...This along with some other things has gotten me plenty sick of this state. |
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Mar 15 2005, 04:00 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
I'm an armchair commando so my RL gun-fu is weak. What did you like about it? |
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Mar 15 2005, 03:54 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
Nooooooo..... the.........mormons...........oh god.........the mormons. :P |
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Mar 15 2005, 03:54 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
The civilian version of the ammo is not the same as the military, and will not uphold it's standards of armor piercing. That besing said, it's still penetrate a LOT better than a normal handgun. |
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Mar 15 2005, 03:55 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
Yes, yes. I'm familiar with all that but thanks. I thought he meant armor like armor plate. Sorry. :rotfl: |
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Mar 15 2005, 04:00 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
We used them anytime we would be inserted behind enemy lines so I got really familiar with them. They can go through hell and back and still perform reliably. They require much less "TLC" than some other rifles (like the AR15). People bitch about their accuracy, but for most applications, they're reasonably accurate (unless your making shots over 300 meters, you're good). edit: Oh, did you mean the pistol? I liked the penetration, low low recoil (less than most 9mm pistols), and light weight. It also seemed to "fit" my hand. I'd present it and the sights would be right on. It was really accurate too. |
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Mar 15 2005, 04:11 AM
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Mostly Harmless Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 937 Joined: 26-February 02 From: 44.662,-63.469 Member No.: 176 |
I think he means that the original load for the 5.7x28mm (SS190) was for some time (possibly still is, not sure) classified by the BATF as armor piercing. Though the bullet is not much different in construction from the 5.56x45mm NATO bullet used in the US M855 "Green Tip" round, which is no longer considered AP by the BATF. FN apparently restricts sales of all 5.7x28mm ammunition to LE/Military except for a Hornady V-MAX load (40 gr. @ 1650 fps; $20 for 50 rounds), which is useable as a varmint hunting load. At any rate, no matter what the bullet, 5.7x28mm ammunition is not easy to come by. It's also not very financially viable for that purpose when you consider that you can get 500 rounds of .223 Remington for around $50 just about anywhere in the US and a Ruger Mini-14 for about two-thirds the price of a Five-seveN. Thought some of you might be interested in this and this, too. |
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Mar 15 2005, 04:08 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Frosty: Yeah, I meant the pistol. :)
Though I'm pretty sure I've asked you about your fondness for the AK as well. But that was a while ago. Thanks. :) |
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Mar 15 2005, 05:49 AM
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Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 15 Joined: 27-February 05 From: Finland Member No.: 7,122 |
Why would criminals try to get a thousand dollar gimmick gun when they can get a normal revolver for much less? Always remember to dump the weapons you fired, so make sure they're not too expensive. ;) |
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Mar 15 2005, 05:53 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Its that they "could" not that they "would."
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Mar 15 2005, 07:33 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
kev nailed it
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Mar 15 2005, 07:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
I know, seriously. I mean, I want some cocain, pot, and speed, and it's also not fair that criminals who break the laws can get ahold of them and I am being punished for not breaking them and trying to aquire the drugs legally. If I wanted them illegally, I'd have them already damnit. If you really want to have crazy guns, do it in a less populous state that doesn't have to worry so much about gangers in the big cities getting ahold of serious firepower. JaronK |
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Mar 15 2005, 04:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 17-November 03 From: Texas Member No.: 5,828 |
That argument makes a ton of sense, considering the Constitution contains specific protections on your right to own and use mind altering substances of all kinds ... And considering that drugs are most commonly used for self defense by law abiding citizens ... Begone, troll. |
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Mar 15 2005, 04:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
You moron. "Gangers" can get ahold of much worse than a freaking 5.7 pistol, and no gun-related law is going to stop them. A semi-auto pistol doesn't qualify as a "crazy gun". A "crazy gun" would be GE Minigun or some such thing. Communist. |
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