No you can't. You maybe able to get some severely jacked-up semi-auto AK with a couple of 10 round magazines, but you aren't getting any real AK legally in California as a civilian.

huh??????

It fires 5.7x28mm ammunition. Looks kinda like a smaller version of the 5.56 round and was designed to give better than average body armour penetration - it's advertised as being able to penetrate PAGST armour at 300m from what I've read. To do with the steel/aluminium core, the front third being made of steel, of the bullet apparently.

This thing was designed as the sister weapon of the P90, Raygun also has the Five-seveN written up, and a quick schpiel about the 5.7 ammunition as well just to keep this at least slightly Shadowrun related.

I'm an armchair commando so my RL gun-fu is weak. What did you like about it?

Nooooooo.....

the.........mormons...........oh god.........the mormons.

The civilian version of the ammo is not the same as the military, and will not uphold it's standards of armor piercing. That besing said, it's still penetrate a LOT better than a normal handgun.

Yes, yes. I'm familiar with all that but thanks. I thought he meant armor like armor plate. Sorry.

We used them anytime we would be inserted behind enemy lines so I got really familiar with them. They can go through hell and back and still perform reliably. They require much less "TLC" than some other rifles (like the AR15). People bitch about their accuracy, but for most applications, they're reasonably accurate (unless your making shots over 300 meters, you're good).

edit: Oh, did you mean the pistol?

I liked the penetration, low low recoil (less than most 9mm pistols), and light weight. It also seemed to "fit" my hand. I'd present it and the sights would be right on. It was really accurate too.

I think he means that the original load for the 5.7x28mm (SS190) was for some time (possibly still is, not sure) classified by the BATF as armor piercing. Though the bullet is not much different in construction from the 5.56x45mm NATO bullet used in the US M855 "Green Tip" round, which is no longer considered AP by the BATF.

FN apparently restricts sales of all 5.7x28mm ammunition to LE/Military except for a Hornady V-MAX load (40 gr. @ 1650 fps; $20 for 50 rounds), which is useable as a varmint hunting load. At any rate, no matter what the bullet, 5.7x28mm ammunition is not easy to come by. It's also not very financially viable for that purpose when you consider that you can get 500 rounds of .223 Remington for around $50 just about anywhere in the US and a Ruger Mini-14 for about two-thirds the price of a Five-seveN.

Thought some of you might be interested in this and this, too.

Why would criminals try to get a thousand dollar gimmick gun when they can get a normal revolver for much less? Always remember to dump the weapons you fired, so make sure they're not too expensive.

I know, seriously. I mean, I want some cocain, pot, and speed, and it's also not fair that criminals who break the laws can get ahold of them and I am being punished for not breaking them and trying to aquire the drugs legally. If I wanted them illegally, I'd have them already damnit.

If you really want to have crazy guns, do it in a less populous state that doesn't have to worry so much about gangers in the big cities getting ahold of serious firepower.

JaronK

That argument makes a ton of sense, considering the Constitution contains specific protections on your right to own and use mind altering substances of all kinds ...

And considering that drugs are most commonly used for self defense by law abiding citizens ...

Begone, troll.

You moron. "Gangers" can get ahold of much worse than a freaking 5.7 pistol, and no gun-related law is going to stop them. A semi-auto pistol doesn't qualify as a "crazy gun". A "crazy gun" would be GE Minigun or some such thing. Communist.

Brilliant.

You can count on me to report this thread if it isn't closed down soon otherwise.

report the thread it's done anyway. It's just going to turn into a honeypot for those who don't believe in individual rights.

That's rhetorical, right?

No, it was a cry for help.

Go ahead! Throw your vote away!

The NRA is a weird organization. Purely looking at their stances on most things, I should love them. I agree with most of it. And then I start to look at their rationalizations, their arguments, and I'm a little uncomfortable. Then I look at their membership, their leadership, their public tactics, and I really, really dislike them. But, yes, I'd take them over the fear mongering gun control lobby.

Communism is an economic system which promotes the elimination of private property and promotes group ownership in the interest of group welfare. I'm hardly a fan of communism, but it has nothing to do with an argument about gun control. The ridiculous generalization I believe you were looking for was "fascist", which describes a person who promotes a strong and dictatorial government.

Because, in Michigan at least, if you want to carry a firearm on your person for protection it has to be concealed and you must have a CCW (Carry Concealed Weapon) Permit.
Gratefully, Michigan is an "at will" state and will issue a CCW to anyone who can prove (with a noterized letter with 2 signators) that they've taken the class, can shoot resonably well (done at the class), and they have no criminal record.
Michigan also honors CCW equivilent from almost every other state in the U.S.

Don't you mean "anti-saftey laws"? 'Cause I'm a lot safer from attack armed with a weapon than I am without. Pistols have been banned in Washington D.C. for decades and that place is only marginally safer than Iraq right now. Pardon the slight sarcasm.

Your wrong. Anyone can do what they want with a firearm they have purchased. As far as I know (and I live in Idaho which has pretty liberal [in a good sense] gun laws) a person can buy a gun in NV and give or sell it to someone in another state. Paperwork and background checks do not govern the sale of normal weapons between private individuals, nor does it govern a persons ability to give someone a weapon as a gift. As long as it's legal for the reciptient to posses such a weapon it is perfectly legal.

So...while I'm not an expert on CA gun laws (in fact I choose to ignore the festering cancer of a state), as long as you can posses a pistol legally then there is nothing illegal about recieving a gift from someone, or buying it from a private individual.

*DISCLAIMER* Gun laws vary from state to state so the best thing to do would be to visit your state website or call your local Sheriffs office for info, but I would advise against giving your name or any other information

How is it an "anti safety law" that prevents people in California from having a handgun that (they think) can penetrate armor? You can still pack a .45, and I like to think that could handle any random mugger that comes your way. Theirs was a knee-jerk reaction (the armor piercing thing), but once you think it's a highly concealable weapon capable of poking clean through the vests your cops wear (and is many times more concealable than most other weapons capable of doing so), it sort of makes sense that they not want the FN on the streets.

The primary assumption of theirs is incorrect -- the armor piercing thing -- but the logic thereafter sort of makes sense. I don't see why someone would need an armor piercing handgun (which I know, I know, it's not, but they think it is) for home defense? How many random burglars sneak around in full on tac gear (outside of Shadowrun)?