 SR4, A joke right? |
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 Mar 15 2005, 09:05 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 312 Joined: 9-October 02 Member No.: 3,430  |
You mean to tell me that there are still unpulished sourcebooks that are in the works such as System Failure, and Loose alliances,
AND THESE GUYS ARE RELEASLING A 4TH EDITION???????!!!!?????? That is messed up. Please tell me this is an Ides of March kinda thing, cause April 1st is still a long way off. /stalks off dumbfounded |
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Mar 15 2005, 09:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 875 Joined: 16-November 03 Member No.: 5,827 |
No joke ... the coming books are the "break"-books, who will transform the sixth world to world 6.5 ...
loose alliance is a background book ... and should be compatible with 4th edition. SYL |
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Mar 15 2005, 09:14 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 19-May 04 From: Eastern Finland Member No.: 6,340 |
Yeah, that was my initial reaction too. Now I'm kinda starting to like the idea, but at the same time I have doubts about the (supposed) 4th Edition. Oh, and there's the whole buying-new-versions-of-the-old-rules-expansions-books thing. That's something I'd hope we'd be able to skip with SR4, but that's just not going to happen.
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Mar 15 2005, 09:16 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Well, the business model is:
Core book for X Expansion books for .5 to .75 X Write at least 15 expansion books Cretae new edition |
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Mar 15 2005, 09:26 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 28-November 04 Member No.: 6,853 |
I hate, hate, hate revamps. I mean not because the content isn't good. Because lord knows what 3rd edition did for Dungeons and Dragons. But I thought 3.5 edition was ridiculous, and the only reason I bought a 3.5 Players Handbook was because on of my players took my Original. It is an attempt to milk the consumer. But, of course it is same said consumers fault for constant complaining and B;+ching that gets the changes made in the first place right.....
I don't think their was anything wrong with SR3, I have seen numerous posts to the contrary. But, I liked Shadowrun, not just because it was and still is a great system (I happen to like the fact that each system is separate...<begin sarcasm>I mean Brain Surgery and Open Heart Surgery are COMPLETELY different types of surgery....But, they are both surgery right...<end sarcasm>), but because it has a "roots-y" quality. It stood in the face of WotC and its fancy D20 machine. I mean it didn't do near the business, but it didn't bow and follow either. Don't get me wrong, I know this is a business and you got to make money or things tend to fade away. But, it just somehow feels wrong. I am not buying it, not because it won't be good, but because the company seems to be leaching on to the "Update Juggernaut" and tagging along for the ride....catch what cash falls in its wake...Because if they are hoping to catch WotC in terms of sales or even get a foothold in the market (other than what they got) then my advice would be stick with what got you there, because no change can catch OGL and D20...and that sucks. (Note, if this is all some sort of "Early April Fools Suprise" then disreguard all prior statements) |
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Mar 15 2005, 09:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 875 Joined: 16-November 03 Member No.: 5,827 |
Yeah right ... that must be the reason why you can dowload the entire core rule books for 0$ from WOTC. And wrong? Like 2nd edition compared to 1st edition? DnD 3rd edition compared to 3rd edtion? SYL |
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Mar 15 2005, 09:34 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 19-May 04 From: Eastern Finland Member No.: 6,340 |
If this is "Early April Fools Surpise" thing then someone is going to pay. Seriously, scaring people with the whole "New Edition, Need More Money" routine isn't fun. |
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Mar 15 2005, 09:47 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
Someone is going to pay? We all will, that is, if we actually want to own the new edition.
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Mar 15 2005, 09:46 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 28-November 04 Member No.: 6,853 |
Why release SOTA 2064 just to release an update set 6 years in the future....I am going on the record saying this is bogus....
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Mar 15 2005, 09:52 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 28-November 04 Member No.: 6,853 |
I would like to know where you went and Downloaded Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 Edition for $0....and for the record, I said nothing about the new system being bad, or not comparing to the other two systems...I simply stated (In more words) that I will not be purchasing the new edition because I own a perfectly fine Shadowrun Edition, I need nothing fixed....and that I think it is a way of milking the consumer...maybe not in the way I feel WotC has with DnD but none the less Milking is being done...plust as you can see by my last post...I think the whole thing is bogus...if it isn't OH well...They won't be getting my 30 bucks...
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Mar 15 2005, 10:05 PM
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the Coke in the Machine Group: Retired Admins Posts: 128 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Cascadia Member No.: 46 |
I they don't get your money, how are they "milking the customer"?
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Mar 15 2005, 10:00 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 28-November 04 Member No.: 6,853 |
There not milking this customer...everyone else can be milked if they want (you can milk anything with nipples...)...I just enjoy complaining...and hate change....especially when things dont NEED changed....
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Mar 15 2005, 10:01 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
D&D v3.5, free of charge and fully legal.
yes, darn those game companies and their evil plans to make money by selling things people want to buy. |
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Mar 15 2005, 10:02 PM
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Slacker Extraordinaire Group: Retired Admins Posts: 337 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ashburn, VA Member No.: 997 |
I would hope he is refering to the System Reference Document (SRD) which can be downloaded from the wizards website or found elsewhere online (in a perfectly legal form). It contains the rules, with no fluff minus proper names, deities, character creation information, and character advancement information. It also lacks some of the interesting information that can be gleaned from the DMG and a few key monsters. www.wizards.com/d20 www.systemreferencedocuments.org |
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Mar 15 2005, 10:15 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 28-November 04 Member No.: 6,853 |
Yes I see now...that is completely the same thing as buying the Dungeons and Dragons Players Handbook.....<end Sarcasm> Offering rules options online free (considering that the system is an OPEN liscence) is not the same as Downloading the PDF of The Dungeons and Dragons PlayersHandbook...
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Mar 15 2005, 10:13 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
yes, actually, it is. it means that you can play D&D3.5 without spending a single cent. these aren't rules options, they are the rules.
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Mar 15 2005, 10:23 PM
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Slacker Extraordinaire Group: Retired Admins Posts: 337 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ashburn, VA Member No.: 997 |
We're getting off topic a bit here, but yes it is exactly the same. It's everything that you get in the players handbook minus the intellectual property and artwork that can not be freely distributed and one set of rules (character creation/advancement) which can be acquired pretty darn easily (and equally legally). I run my game entirely from the SRD and one page of notes on character advancement. |
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Mar 15 2005, 10:26 PM
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Tilting at Windmills Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 |
Feel free, but I'm playtesting SR4, and I can assure it's not a joke. |
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Mar 15 2005, 10:21 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 28-November 04 Member No.: 6,853 |
I cant believe I am going to keep going rounds with someone who obviously does not see the point but here we go....No you are playing 3.5 rules set for the OGL (Open Gaming Liscence) for free....not Dungeons and Dragons...Star Wars Revised uses the same rules as 3.5 OGL...are you saying you can get Star Wars for free...or Dragon Star...or Ebberon.....or any other d20 system game...no...I get the point...it is just an invalid point...you get nothing that Makes DnD what it is... their for your not Playing DnD....
Point to this whole thing...you wont find Shadowrun rules Lying about in the same manner as the D20 3.5 rules...because Shadowrun doesn't use and Open Gaming Liscence, their for, you will have to buy the rules.... |
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Mar 15 2005, 10:32 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 47 Joined: 28-November 04 Member No.: 6,853 |
people are complete morons...OMG....this is completely pointless...the entire thing...SR4 all the way down to OGL being the same as the PHB...
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Mar 15 2005, 10:25 PM
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Slacker Extraordinaire Group: Retired Admins Posts: 337 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ashburn, VA Member No.: 997 |
Agreed. You will have to buy the new edition of Shadowrun to make use of it. I'd love to respond to the rest of what you posted, but to do so we would have to take it to the general gaming forum. |
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Mar 15 2005, 10:34 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst (note: preparing for, not predicting).
Edit: just read the actual announcement on the web site, status officially changed to "predicting". Surprise me please. ~J |
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Mar 15 2005, 10:36 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
*shrug* okay. i'll be the moron, for pointing out that you can play D&D 3.5e (omg it's not teh D&D beccuase it dosent have teh quivar of elohnnna!!!!1!!!) for free. but you win the moron hat for bringing it into the discussion in the first place, and then saying it's irrelevant.
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Mar 15 2005, 10:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 30-January 04 Member No.: 6,043 |
Out of curiosity, why do you predict the worst? |
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Mar 15 2005, 10:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
I for one hope it's a joke.
I know the history of the releases. I've been in gaming a long time. I know it's their right to do as they please. But come on, this is disgusting. Is there something wrong with third editon? Is it broke? No. Is it Perfect? no. Will it ever be perfect. NO! But I'm really sick of buying new books. Looking at the piles of old edition rpg books I have is just sickening. Don't mind me, I'm just ranting in disgust over the situation. :grr: |
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