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 Mar 16 2005, 04:46 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Württemberg, AGS Member No.: 2,068  |
Ok, I know this thread won't do anything to actual developments. But try to see it as a plaything. Might spawn a few ideas. ;)
What do you think might happen to our well known characters from the SR universe in the five years that bridge the editions? The first that came to my mind was Captain Chaos - his years of work have gone down the sink. He either commits himself to reconstruction (and therefore stays with us as our 4th Edition sourcebook host), or plainly gives it up. A younger generation will pick up his heritage and create all-new data havens. We'll then see our share of Captain Chaos impostors. My opinion: a Captain ought to go down with his ship. On a similar thought I remembered Fastjack - and came to the conclusion that his time was over. I don't think he'd care to start from the beginning again, considering his age. It's probably for the best if he dies sometime during the crash and it's consequences. I see either Damien Knight or Nadia Daviar running for president of UCAS. Lofwyr ought to get a slight setback. Maybe an assassination attempt that almost succeeds. But he has to live and still be the same arsehole - Shadowrun wouldn't be the same without him. Harlequin... well, sitting on some beach with Frosty, having a Bud. Art Dankwalther might succeed at ruining Richard Villiers but definitely will ruin himself in the process. General Saito is most likely in for a whipping from two fronts, but I'd love to see him keep his hold on some territory in North America - I just don't know how he'd manage to do that, yet. ;) I think that's enough for a start... what are your ideas? Ricky Ratboy will be seized by a master shedim and - as leader of a small death cult in the Seattle sewers - act as main villain in one of the adventures in On the Run. *vile grin* |
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Mar 16 2005, 04:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Detroit Member No.: 4,642 |
Oh man, what's Dodger going to do? Meagera might very well die.
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Mar 16 2005, 04:56 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
ricky ratboy's dead. died in SSG.
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Mar 16 2005, 04:56 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
Just because the Matrix goes down doesn't meant that all the data is going to be lost. Systems will have to be updated and files transferred to 'modern' hosts. All of Cap's hard work will still be there, it just might not be immediately accessible.
Who was Rick Ratboy? |
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Mar 16 2005, 05:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Württemberg, AGS Member No.: 2,068 |
Why do you think I mentioned the shedim? |
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Mar 16 2005, 05:40 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
oops, heh. i just saw the name as i was scanning through.
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Mar 16 2005, 05:36 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Captain Chaos will never die. What I think will happen is some new guy he trusts takes on a large piece of the responsibility of running a data haven, and gradually the original Cap lets the new guy post under his name.
After all, Captain Chaos has been busily posting for well over fifteen years, right? And he was no newbie when he started. I could see a Dread Pirate Roberts thing going on. |
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Mar 16 2005, 06:00 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
No way. Ghostwalker 4 prez. |
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Mar 16 2005, 06:01 PM
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The Nexus would survive another Crash with only one exception--physical penetration and destruction of the DDH. Shadowland (Seattle), OTOH... Might not. But it'll be backed up, and they will probably have plenty of volunteers to help restore it.
Fastjack will never go away. He'll day at 107 when he jacks out and breaks a hip in the bathroom.
Down the beach from Lucifer, no doubt. And btw, my prediction about Novatech is based in part on suggestions in SOTA64 and some other personal speculation, but I feel confident it will be Novatech, and it won't be the same as it is now. |
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Mar 16 2005, 06:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 30-January 04 Member No.: 6,043 |
And Aina suffers through yet another drastic change in the world, all the while inching closer to the return of the Enemy.
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Mar 16 2005, 06:46 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Dodger: Will be bitter because of Meagera's death in SC/CE.
Cap'n Chaos: Still on the bridge, this time of a new ship. Pirates don't sink with their ships, Arrr! Honestly, I'd miss him dearly if he'd go. FastJack: Will continue being a decker and graduyally lose contact with SOTA, and will become more and more of a living fossil, one of a dying species, one of the last true deckers. Will die poor, bitter and lonely in 2103. Lofwyr: Will lose a lot of money, as well as a lot of prestge within the dragon community. Will lose all chances of being Loremaster for the forseeable fututre (and I am speaking in dragon terms here) Celedyr: Option 1: Will mastermind Matrix 2.0's implementation. Might well have had a hand in SC/CE. Option 2: Will be thoroughly and totally fucked and lose all of his assets, business and most of his hoard, though I cannot imagine any bank daring to carry out an evicition order against a GD. Damien Knight, Richard Villiers, and Nadia Daviar: Will compete running for president. One of them will die. Ghostwalker: Will tighten his grip on Denver. Might well expand Denver's borders in all the confusion during SC/CE. Aztlan: Will go berzerk. Japan: Will not be a superpower after SC/CE. after all, they want to update SR to current world standards, and Japan has seen a steep decline already. China: will reunify, possibly under some Kuomintang-style dictators with Lung's backing. Will start building shiny large aircraft carriers. Israel: Will be in dire trouble. Let's hope they have found the lost Arc in 2065. They're gonna need it. Harlequine: Will sit back, have a drink, and watch the chaos unfold, watching with slight amusement and the jaded pleasure of someone who has seen numerous cultures crumble and die. After all, that's what makes his life interesting. |
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Mar 18 2005, 04:08 PM
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Mr. Quote-function Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,312 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere in Germany Member No.: 1,376 |
Though it originally wasn't my idea: I'm all for Pax as new sysop of shadowland :D
Bastard Admin From Hell taken to the extreme ... :vegm: |
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Mar 18 2005, 05:05 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
Hermit:
Israel has something better. Nuclear weapons.:-) However, I really don't think they'll touch that region much. It's too easy to get dragged into the politics.:-( |
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Mar 18 2005, 05:03 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
I think Lofwyr has taken enough hits recently. I'd prefer it if he seized the opportunity of System Failure to finally turn Europe into his personal domain, the same way the Pope domimated a squabling Europe at the height of his power (Just before protestantism, reform and counter reform). Lofwyr ain't perfect, we get it. That's the point of the recent development. But he should become formidable again IMO. |
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Mar 18 2005, 05:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 157 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Perdition Member No.: 108 |
PRESIDENT DANKWALTHER!!! :grinbig: :grinbig: :grinbig: |
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Mar 18 2005, 05:45 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
- Mr. Dankwalther, what are your plans to improve the unemployment rate in the country?
- I intend to grind into the dust the country's second largest employer. |
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Mar 18 2005, 05:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Württemberg, AGS Member No.: 2,068 |
I also somewhat dig that idea... ;) |
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Mar 18 2005, 06:09 PM
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See, I can appreciate not wanting Japan to be the be-all and end-all of cyberpunk superpowers in SR, but... Who else is going to overtake them? The only reason Japan is still the #2 economy is because the U.S. is #1. With the U.S. fractured and mostly hurting, China fractured and parts hurting, and god only knows what happened to India, Japan should still remain the top economic superpower. And if that means military superpower, too, well... It's not unheard of. |
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Mar 19 2005, 06:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 20-June 04 Member No.: 6,423 |
I've thought the same thing hermit is. From what SSG has implied about the Indian Union, I could see them taking over the high-technology reins from Japan. Even if half their population dies from VITAS and Kashmir cookout, they still got the manpower to rival the JIS, the UCAS, and CAS.
Yeah, along with India, it's been said plenty recently that it looks like 21st century is going to be either an Indian century or China's time, rather than the 80s view of Japan running the world economy.
I'm surprised Israel was still around in 2050-2060s, especially as a Zionist nation. Unless VITAS kills off all the Palestinians (who would be the majority in 2020) and they received enough foreign aid to replace US's share (which is unlikely: Israel is the #1 recipient of US foreign aid, while the US is the top provider of aid to Israel), I have a hard time seeing them looking like the Israel we've known. Add in the constant onslaughts of the neighboring Arab nations, I think that the country would be the size of a postage stamp by 2060. |
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Mar 19 2005, 07:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Detroit Member No.: 4,642 |
Nuclear weapons and the demonstrated willingness to use them are quite a deterrent. While there is no U.S. aid, there is also no U.S. restraint on the Israelis to doing whatever they please with the Palestinians. |
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Mar 19 2005, 08:04 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Fastjack is alive and well. In 2074 he accepts one last job, engages in physical penetration into one of the backbone routers of the Matrix. While inside he is trapped within and becomes an inextricable part of the Matrix.
~J |
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Mar 19 2005, 08:35 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
That would be a nice end (and beginning) for him imo. :D
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Mar 19 2005, 08:44 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
I haven't read the most recent Matrix books (and at this rate, I probably won't be forking out for Matrix at all, no point if there's going to be a new edition in August), but from way back I always suspected Fastjack of being an AI. At least up until 2nd ed, the guy had never been seen in the flesh. Did we ever have proof positive of his physical existence?
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Mar 19 2005, 08:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 20-June 04 Member No.: 6,423 |
According to the SOTA books and the whole Ibn Eisa fiasco, they don't seem to be that much of a deterrent. In 2063, 10K Daggers and Constantinople have made money of the perpetual Arab-Israeli conflicts. In 2064, Zartan mentions that if Mossad was behind the Ibn Eisa hit, that would pretty much be suicide to the Israeli state. The loss of support from Nachtmeister has also hit them hard. The Israeli economy, like Saudi Arabia, is tied heavily with the US, in the form of loans and reserves. The collapse of the US following the NAN and CAS seccession devastated the Saudi economy, up to the point that the House of Saud hooked their wagons to the IUM and merged with the the neighboring countries to form Arabia. I could see something similar occuring in Israel. In addition, areas of the country have been polluted and left uninhabitable by the Libyan chemical weapon strike. In short, there's a lot that's going against Israel. As for others, I say: Philippines- the Philippines revolution gets out of Masaru's claws, the Huk disintegrates into a bunch of warring factions and, soon, a reign of terror descends upon the islands. Masaru books it on the last plane out to Seattle where he hosts the revived Wyrm Talk, while Filipinos slaughter each other in complete anarchy. Tir Tairngire- repluses an invasion from Saito and the Human Nation, then collapses from Rinelle. Hestaby goes back to Mt. Shasta and barricades herself into the resort, cutting off all human contact. |
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Mar 19 2005, 08:49 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I'd suggest getting Target: Matrix anyway.
~J |
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