 Decking versus Hacking, The change is not needed |
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 Mar 27 2005, 10:41 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill.  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006  |
I posted this in another thread and I felt it didn't get the coverage I wanted it to, so I figured a poll would do.
Not to disagree with you but you are getting rid of the name. A name most of us find synonymous with Shadowrun. I know the name is just flavor text but then again, so is the name of the game. Isn't possible, after seeing the fan outcry of the loss of the name "decker" you could just stop the nonsense of "hackers" and go back to calling it Decking? I was talking to Doc F. and he was in total agreement with Fanpro about getting rid of the name Decking, saying, "Hey, they are just hackers." My reply was that most of the specialized terminology in the game could be replaced. Sam's could be Mercs or Enforcers, the game name could be changed to Underworld (since that is what it is really about right?) Can't you just keep calling them Deckers, please? |
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Mar 27 2005, 10:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
I don't really care, and since abstaining from voting is effectively a vote for change in this case, I picked option two.
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Mar 27 2005, 11:41 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 23-January 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 7,007 |
I happen to like the term decker. It is unique to Shadowrun and I really don't believe that you need to change the name just because they won't be carrying decks anymore. For example, cops don't wear copper buttons anymore, but the name stuck around anyway.
Perhaps the name change might attract a younger audience that identifiers with the popular mythos of hackers. If it works, then I'm all for it. |
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Mar 28 2005, 12:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
Nope. Ripped off from Neuromancer. |
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Mar 28 2005, 12:47 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
Don't care.
In fact, I'll probably have old timer of the SR universe refuse to let go of the term 'decker' while the new breed definitely will use the term 'hacker'. An easy way to show the generation gap. |
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Mar 28 2005, 12:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
Well, it doesn't make any difference, WRT what term you use, whether it's borrowed. But it's far from unique.
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Mar 28 2005, 01:57 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
It is unique to Shadowrun as the name Shadowrun. @ Gunner, if you dont have something constructive to add, please don't post.
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Mar 28 2005, 02:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
My pardons, Shadow. From now on I will run any post I intend to make past the Dumpshock Mandarins (for whom you clearly speak) to make sure that they are constructive enough to please you. I will also ask them to update my knowledge of English vocabulary, as I wasn't aware that "unique" could describe a quality present in more than one item; up until now I had assumed that it meant "one of a kind" and that there was nothing else like it. Silly me!
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Mar 28 2005, 02:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
BTW, @ Charon, sorry there. I initially thought you were responding to me when I made my second post; didn't realize you were making a wholly unrelated comment. And the character who calls himself a decker for anachronism's sake is a cool idea.
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Mar 28 2005, 03:07 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
GunnerJ: In Role-Playing Games the term Decker is unique and distinguishable.
~J |
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Mar 28 2005, 03:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
Qualifiers make all the difference.
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Mar 28 2005, 03:49 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 28-March 05 Member No.: 7,247 |
personally I will keep the term deckers, the way I look at it the term will still apply, much like someone else mentioned cops are still cops even though they don't wear copper anymore, the term would stick.
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Mar 28 2005, 06:18 AM
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Harlequin Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 331 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 861 |
You forgot about the: Don't care option. And that's my vote.
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Mar 28 2005, 06:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
when you use the term "decker" most RPGers will know instantly you are referring to Shadowrun. If you use the term "hacker" anyone will be subsequently confused by the many facets of real life and RPGs that have been termed thus.
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Mar 28 2005, 07:34 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
I didn't forget it, I just assumed if you didn't care (like GunnerJ) you wouldn't vote or comment. I didn't know I would be inundated with people who "don't care" caring. |
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Mar 28 2005, 09:59 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
When hackers are more playable (as pc's) than deckers, i welcome them with open arms. :)
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Mar 28 2005, 11:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
"You say you want a what? A decker?" laughter "Dude, that's so 2050's. Get with the program, greybeard."
Or in translation, I'll have older veterans still using the term "decker", which the new generation will consider hopelessly outdated and uncool. The older vets, of course, will think the new generation are insolent pups in need of a good slapping. EDIT: BTW, Shadow, I think the "don't care" comments are more expressing "will be equally happy with either", which is a different kettle of fish and one that might worthily have been included. Put me down for that option. |
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Mar 28 2005, 01:31 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,784 Joined: 28-July 04 From: Cleveland, OH Member No.: 6,522 |
So, if the term decker is 2050's, it makes sense to go back to a term that originated in the 1950's? :( |
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Mar 28 2005, 01:38 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
And you think the New Gen will have the faintest idea? Today's house music fans don't even know who MARRS were. There are New Metal teenagers who have never heard of Rainbow, for cryin' out loud :( |
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Mar 28 2005, 02:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 8-November 04 Member No.: 6,817 |
I like the term Decker. Gunner's right, it isn't unique, but among RPGs AFAIK you only find it in Shadowrun. The term Hacker has to many connotations, and many of them are negative. Besides, shadowrun is all about silly and unnescessary slang, I'd like to see words like decker, rigger, street samurai and fixer kept.
BTW, according to my dictionary: hacker n (infml) a person who uses computers for enjoyment, esp in order to HACK. By that definition using my computer to read up on dumpshock makes me a hacker. How have they avoided Rainbow? Rainbow is too cool to be unknown. |
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Mar 28 2005, 01:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 202 Joined: 15-September 04 From: East Providence, RI Member No.: 6,664 |
And is that their fault? I was talking to my 8-year old cousin this weekend and he said he hated Star Wars. He probably has no idea the original movies even exist. I think FanPro would gladly trade some hardcore fans who hate the name hacker for some new ones who have never even heard the term decker. Regardless of how much SR history you know, it doesn't make the game any more yours than some brand new to the game. |
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Mar 28 2005, 01:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
You know it. I know it. Now tell those braindead frickin' dweebs with the skull t-shirts. |
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Mar 28 2005, 02:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 8-November 04 Member No.: 6,817 |
This shouldn't be an new-gen vs. old-gen discussion. IMO the terms hacker and decker are completely different, anyone familiar with the SR world knows exactly what a decker does, but once you go hacking you could be doing anything really. From chopping wood to writing newspaper coloumns.
Not to many NewMetal dweebs with skull T-shirts around here I'm afriad. Besides most of my friends know (and like) Rainbow already, wich is why I don't see how it's possible for youngsters you've appearently met not to. |
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Mar 28 2005, 02:14 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Bingo :) |
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Mar 28 2005, 02:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 8-November 04 Member No.: 6,817 |
Wich is bad, because you need small specific words, instead of broad categories that will eventually need sub-categories. If we end up calling people decker-hackers or rigger-hackers or drone-rigger-hacker what was the point of changing the terminology in the first place?
Besides, small specific words, even if they're just made up like decker, somehow seem more real than subcategorizing. |
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