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> Cover Art, Which do you Prefer?
Now that the SR4 cover art is up. What is your Fav?
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NightHaunter
post Apr 16 2005, 09:58 AM
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Heres a link to a Forum with a link to the new art.
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...topic=8180&st=0
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post Apr 16 2005, 10:28 AM
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Elmore's cover for 1/2. Classic stuff.
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post Apr 16 2005, 10:46 AM
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I gotta go with 1/2 as well. 4 is a good deal better than 3 was but it still looks a bit cartoonish.
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post Apr 16 2005, 11:28 AM
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I know. The cartoony covers just really put me off. The cover art for 4 isn't too bad though, and it nicely echos Elmore's.
Personally, of all the SR product I've seen, I love the following covers and would love to see more in the same style:
  • Larry Elmore: SR1/SR2 corebook, Native American Nations Vol. 1
  • Janet Aulisio's SR2 GM screen
  • John Zeleznik: SR3 Shadowrun Companion, Neo A's Guide to Real Life (My all time favorite), Downtown Militarized Zone
  • Steve Venters' Sprawl Sites
  • Luis Royo's Fields of Fire
  • Christopher Moeller's Shadows of North America
Though to be honest, my dream artist for a new SR cover would be Tim Bradstreet.
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post Apr 16 2005, 11:44 AM
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Tim Bradstreet doing the cover would be awesome :)
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post Apr 16 2005, 11:57 AM
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Luis Royo.
That would be good.
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post Apr 16 2005, 12:42 PM
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Okay, maybe I'm just missing it, but I can't find a link to the new cover art. I don't see anything for it on shadowrunrpg.com, either.
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post Apr 16 2005, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE (NightHaunter)
Luis Royo.

Talk about elf porn...
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post Apr 16 2005, 02:49 PM
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Here
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post Apr 16 2005, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)
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Luis Royo.

Talk about elf porn...

:rotfl:
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post Apr 16 2005, 03:05 PM
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1/2. 3 isn't bad either, but for some reason I really don't like the SR4 cover.

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post Apr 16 2005, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
1/2. 3 isn't bad either, but for some reason I really don't like the SR4 cover.

~J

For me the troll's head looks...like some sort of horror from CoC. :P Maybe it's just the angle, or it will look better fullsized when we can see more detail, but it doesn't really look close enough to being human to be called a humanoid.
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post Apr 16 2005, 03:36 PM
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Better than the massive cockup that SR3's cover, but still very disappointing. Especially with current books using better art.
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post Apr 16 2005, 03:50 PM
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If I had the say on the SR4 cover, I would have gone with someone no one has mentioned yet. Klaus Scherwinski, who did the Shadows of Europe and Schockwellen covers. I love his SR covers, and I think he does metahumans without making them look awkward.
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post Apr 16 2005, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (Demonseed Elite)
I think he does metahumans without making them look awkward.

I agree with this sentiment, although I always thought that he underestimated the sheer destructive power of a Thor shot (at least, that's what I assume he's trying to portray there... maybe it's actually a targeting laser for the Thor Shot).
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post Apr 16 2005, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE (hahnsoo @ Apr 16 2005, 10:59 AM)
QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Apr 16 2005, 10:50 AM)
I think he does metahumans without making them look awkward.

I agree with this sentiment, although I always thought that he underestimated the sheer destructive power of a Thor shot (at least, that's what I assume he's trying to portray there... maybe it's actually a targeting laser for the Thor Shot).

That would be one bizatch "targeting" laser. :) It doesn't look like i'd expect a Thor (projectile) weapon to either, plus there is the second one that hasn't really done any visible destruction yet.

I think he might have been doing some sort of non-canon energy beam. Like the Ares laser pack weapon, only airborne vehicle mounted.

But his metahumans, ya I like those.

P.S. Elmore'- stuff always strikes me as...static. Like i'm looking at statues rather than living beings. I think it might have something to do with the very fine detail and exteme Realism bent that he paints with. Of course that ninja-nympho-elf in the SR4 looks really awkward the way she is floating above the ground. Once again when we get to see the fullsized version maybe it'll look better.
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post Apr 16 2005, 05:25 PM
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I'm not a fan of the SoE cover either, though the Schockwellen cover looks neat (I'm not a fan of it as a cover, but it'd look great as a full-page inside a book somewhere).

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post Apr 16 2005, 05:27 PM
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Maybe, but I doubt it. I agree that it lacks dynamism and motion, among many other things. Art was one of the Very Big Things Wrong with SR3, and, at this point, I think we'd better get set for a repeat performance— which I find remarkable, given that people like Klaus Scherwinski, Adi Granov, are available, active, and have done damn good Shadowrun (not to mention other) work before.
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post Apr 16 2005, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE (blakkie)
That would be one bizatch "targeting" laser. :) It doesn't look like i'd expect a Thor (projectile) weapon to either, plus there is the second one that hasn't really done any visible destruction yet.

The only reason I mention Thor shots is because I think that Schockwellen deals with the Proteus/Ares conflict, which involves an Ares Thor shot against a Proteus Aquacology.
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post Apr 16 2005, 05:32 PM
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Well, the new cover is a big step up from SR3. Still doesn't equal Larry Elmore's cover though.
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post Apr 16 2005, 05:33 PM
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Who did the Queen Euphoria cover? That's far and away one of my favourites.

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post Apr 16 2005, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
Who did the Queen Euphoria cover? That's far and away one of my favourites.

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John Zeleznik. The google is weak with this one.
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post Apr 16 2005, 05:36 PM
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P.S. Elmore'- stuff always strikes me as...static. Like i'm looking at statues rather than living beings.


Elmore's art is very neo-classical. The reason why you feel like you are looking at statues is because neo-classical art was inspired by the classical sculpture of Ancient Greece and Rome. The sharp perspective lines, subdued statue-like skin tones, and almost "epic" posture are signs of neo-classicism, and are very evident in Elmore's works. The thing about neo-classicism is that it is built on the idea of presenting clearly "idealized" heroes, which is why I never really thought it worked for Shadowrun, but why I think it works so well for Elmore in fantasy RPGs, especially games like Dragonlance.

And can you tell I'm writing a paper on this topic that is due tomorrow? ;)
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post Apr 16 2005, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Apr 16 2005, 11:36 AM)
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P.S. Elmore'- stuff always strikes me as...static. Like i'm looking at statues rather than living beings.


Elmore's art is very neo-classical. The reason why you feel like you are looking at statues is because neo-classical art was inspired by the classical sculpture of Ancient Greece and Rome. The sharp perspective lines, subdued statue-like skin tones, and almost "epic" posture are signs of neo-classicism, and are very evident in Elmore's works. The thing about neo-classicism is that it is built on the idea of presenting clearly "idealized" heroes, which is why I never really thought it worked for Shadowrun, but why I think it works so well for Elmore in fantasy RPGs, especially games like Dragonlance.

And can you tell I'm writing a paper on this topic that is due tomorrow? ;)

Thanks for helping me to understand what i could feel all these years.

EDIT: Hmmm, maybe I could have worded that better? It sounds like i'm waiting for someone to call for a group hug. :wobble: :eek:
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