 Demo, des mots, des maux, Great god Dev, please listen to us ! |
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 Apr 21 2005, 12:34 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341  |
So, after having read all the threads here, something came to my mind...
Instead of flaming without knowing what will really be in SR4, I think it would be quiet useful to get a demo of SR4... WW did it with VtR and WtF (each time a 5 part demo, with basic rules, and a mini-scenario)... If this could be the case, SR4 would really look like WW (com'on, flame me baby ;) ) By the way, please, great dev team, send us a sign that you haven't forgotten us on this earth, and post the part five of the FAQ, even if to do so, you have to slay a bloody path through these hardcore geeks who are complaining all the time ! So, any comments ? |
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Apr 21 2005, 12:45 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Paris, France Member No.: 6,074 |
a SR4 demo would be great! and i really agree with you about the treatment the "hardcore geeks who are complaining all the time!" deserve -> force them to eat all their SR3 sourcebooks until saying i will play SR4 ;) |
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Apr 21 2005, 01:43 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Well, I don't need all that much cellulose in my diet.....
I am in favor of a demo. Since I won't be attending the big release at the Con I would love to see local commandos or playtesters run a scenario at a store or something. |
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Apr 21 2005, 01:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341 |
Well, let's just say the sourcebooks containing rules for SR3, as the ones with background will still be useful if I haven't misunderstood the first part of the FAQ... Furthermore, it would be a good way to get a lot of comments on the new system (instead of hazy suppositions), which could lead to the amendment/correction of the possible flaws of SR4 (even maybe before the printing). |
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Apr 21 2005, 02:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
I have the uneasy feeling that the system won't even be ready for a public demo until sometime in july so I guess I could just wait another month.
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Apr 21 2005, 02:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341 |
I think you are right Solstice, but I was more speaking of the eventuality of a demo rather than a demo right now !
I know than when WW did that, the transition was much easier for the players... |
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Apr 21 2005, 03:29 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Then again, I'm guessing a good chunk of the system is done already. If perhaps combat, but not matrix is done, we could just see that. I know the devs don't want to show say initiative and say 'this is not in concrete', but with stuff like that, they can stick to the SR3 methods.
I would like to see something like that on the forums, so we can properly tear it to pieces. It could go a long way to settling complaints. But it's not something I demand, and I bow to the devs' judgement if they decide it would not be in our or their best interest. |
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Apr 21 2005, 03:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341 |
By the way, I thought that the dev team was realeasing once a week a part of the FAQ about SR4...
Have they forgotten us ? Pleaseeeeeee, I NEED this part in order to sleep tonight... |
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Apr 21 2005, 03:53 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,784 Joined: 28-July 04 From: Cleveland, OH Member No.: 6,522 |
A demo would satisfy fans for a couple(?) of months before the game system came out. It'd also take away a designer's time that could be spent working on the game system that will be used for years after release. I'd rather see FanPro folks spend that time tweaking a rule example or catching typos than working on a demo.
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Apr 21 2005, 03:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 28-March 05 Member No.: 7,254 |
I would like to see a demo. :D
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Apr 21 2005, 03:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341 |
You're right Dunner, I didn't consider this aspect... Don't they have a spring intern to do such a thing ? ;) |
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Apr 21 2005, 04:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 30-January 04 Member No.: 6,043 |
I'm sure they could find a volunteer to do this...
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Apr 21 2005, 04:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341 |
IMO, the main problem is not to find a volunteer, but to have the job done pretty well...
The WW demo was composed of 5 parts (each of them had someting like 20 pages in pdf), a summary of the basic rules, the mood, a few artwork... It's a hard job, which has to be done serioulsy... But I really would like to see something like that happening with SR4. |
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Apr 21 2005, 04:37 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
LOL. Honestly, the last thing the dev-team is going to do is pass SR4 over to "us" for some sort of approval or final judgement. So many varied points of view the results would be useless and picking "a representative" wouldn't be very representative of the diverse mix here on DS. Although I'll admit, the notion of a demo would help fill my curiosities, I doubt it would sway me either way. A demo would probably only appeal to a small group and even further filtered by geography, as I seriously doubt they'd take the demo, "on the road". It's their task to create a product we want to buy, I think the forums here provide plenty of feedback (or comic relief). Our "judgement" will be if we decide to buy more than core SR4. |
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Apr 21 2005, 04:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
A demo would be cool - but risky for them sales wise.
A lot of peeps will buy the book and check it out. If they don't like it, it goes into the pile of other books they didn't like and sits. But it is still a sale. If the have a demo, then they could judge it before hand, decide they don't like it and not buy it. Where as they would have if they didn't see the demo. They'd be better off with a couple teaser flyers like they did back for SR1. I still have mine, they were pretty cool. |
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Apr 21 2005, 04:48 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
But there would also be people who don't plan to buy the game, see the demo, and decide it's better than they were expecting and buy it after all. It's just a question of which there will be more of. Personally, I'd hope they're banking on having a good game, not a piece of crap that they have to hide from people in order to trick them into buying it. |
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Apr 21 2005, 06:11 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
I was tinking of a live demo at a games store, not a release of rules, etc.
Some playtesters could run through a scenario with explanations of changes and Q&A afterwards. That kind of thing. |
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Apr 21 2005, 06:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Not that it's vanished, but considering how easy it is to buy books online, I think the role of the "game shop" is changing from what it used to be. I don't know how effective something like that would be. |
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Apr 21 2005, 06:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
Agreed. I have missed the blog this week as well, but I think the comment someone made about stiopping the blog becuase 'everytime you lift the lid off of this a little more, the more it stinks' - or something like that, may have offended the Powers that Be. |
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Apr 21 2005, 07:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341 |
Noooooooo... let's sacrifice these blasphemers to the Powers that Be !
I really hope that the dev team won't stop just because of a few rantings... A lot of people don't even want to write in these threads because of the dishonesty of some people (I hope that SR4 will be great, but with what we know, we can't be sure of anything, as not enough has been said about the new system ; maybe it will be great, maybe it will be shitty, but I will wait to see it before judging). A demo would be a good occasion to disclose a few information about the system... In example, you couldn't say with VtR demo how the rules would be, but you knew that you would have a fix TN, you knew how to use disciplines (with a few examples of them), you knew how to run a combat... And this was great, because even if you knew that it was just an overview of the rules, and that they would be more complex, you could have a grasp on the new system... That's my point of view... But remember, I might be wrong (even if I will never admit it ;) ) |
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Apr 21 2005, 07:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
You're right - we don't know if it'll be good or not.
But they've released enought to make a lot of us nervous.... A demo would aliveate some, and enrage others. It'll just make us more educated on the subject ;) |
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Apr 21 2005, 07:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341 |
You're perfectly right... But to some extent, the SR4 core book will also please some (sorry I don't understand "aliveate" as english is not my native language) and enrage others, but it will be...
And I don't think that the fact of having a demo would make the dev team change their plans (the system will be fix TN, no more pools...) but, on some minor points, there might be a few details that they didn't consider and which could need some fixing or at least some explanations... That's why I would like to see a demo... |
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Apr 21 2005, 07:51 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Or less educated. As they've pointed out before, a lot of stuff is still subject to change. Should we all come away acting like Initiative System A is the one that'll be used, when the book ends up being printed with Initiative System B, well we'll feel rather silly.
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Apr 21 2005, 07:55 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
As I've said since, well, the first time someone asked: more extensive preview material will be released closer to the book's release date, as is standard in the industry.
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Apr 21 2005, 07:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341 |
Sincerely, i can't believe that so many things can change... We are end of april, the release is in august, which mens that everything will be sent for printing in july... So no more than 3 months left... It's pretty sure that a lot of things have always been decided (and I really do hope so !)...
They advised us about SR4 a few weeks ago, but it's been months they were working on it (please confirm ;) )... So I am pretty sure that all the "stone" (core might be a better word) of the system is already written... Don't you think ? |
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