Blood on the Floor, And don't say get a mop Options

[Swing Kid]

One of the guys on our team took a bullet in the thigh in the middle of a Rake run (yeah, that's right Huang); got blood all over the place. He was OK, but we all broke out into a panic and began throwing ammonia all over the place trying to cover our tracks. I'm niether a medic nor a Lonestar Dik, so I am not sure if we need to go back in and cover our tracks better. We usually don't drop alot of plasma on our runs, so it got me concerned. How do you guys (and chica's) handle blood (DNA Trace Elements, etc), when you take a hit?

[Chibu]

Well, my one character did use a mop. Or rather had a bound Earth elemental use a physical service to clean it up. also, Amonia is pretty good at destroying a blood sample.

[Swing Kid]

Oooo!
Anybody know a shaman that can conjure Ammonia Spirits?

[BishopMcQ]

Fire Elementals probably burn hot enough to break down the protein strands as well. Plasma, and blood in general, shouldn't have the resiliency that bone and harder tissue does to maintain cohesion under extreme temperature.

[Swing Kid]

I really don't want to burn down the place.

Not after the incident

[Mortax]

[SpasticTeapot]

Another solution is to douse the floor with a mixture of ammonia and rubbing (isopropyl) alcohol. Ignite. The resulting flame won't ignite anything (even paper), but it will release a vast cloud of ammonia and heat the blood to slightly over the boiling point, pretty much destroying any DNA.

[Swing Kid]

Wow

Need a team?
Maybe just a Decker then?

[Edward]

I keep a sterilise spell (and cast it low force every time I spend more than a few min in a room). Ammonia or any other chemical that will act as a sterilising agent works good to, for speed you may wish to consider splash grenades filled with something of that type.

Edward

[Smiley]

I like that splash grenade idea.

[Edward]

To be honest I know a cheaper way to do it but you need a nice GM.

Go to a hardware store and ask them to fill some paint cans with ammonia (or other high powered sterilising agent). Replace the plastic caps with the ones from cockroach bombs (may need careful selection of brand for paint tin and cockroach bomb, cheep is more likely to be compatible) should be able to make them for under 20 nuyen each.

Edward

[ElFenrir]

Couldn't you just take a small spray bottle along with some ammonia in it? With anything to wipe it up with. For small amounts of blood anyway. Spray, wipe, move on. :)

[mmu1]

All this stuff is sort of pointless, short of custom magical spells. Ever watch one of those medical examiner shows on which they describe how people try to cover up crimes but eventually get caught?

I remember seeing a segment on a guy who cleaned up his basement floor and then painted the whole thing to hide his wife's blood, and the forensic team was still able to find it.

You'll never be precise enough with your bottle of ammonia - there'll always be droplets somewhere that you'll miss. If whoever is investigating it is willing to spend enough money on it, they'll probably be able to get your DNA anyway.

[Demosthenes]

So carry around a wee spray-thingie with loads of different DNA traces (including your own), and spray it everywhere after you've cleaned up with ammonia...

[Swing Kid]

Brilliant! Using tons of other DNA traces is a spectacular idea. The actual blood itself will still need to be taken care of.

Maybe someone needs to come up with spray bottles of DNA-B-Gone. Otherwise, getting shot on a run could really be career ending if a Corp decided to follow up on who did the crime. Luckily, from most of the Corp Secruity Records I have decked, they are usually not that overly interested in the smoking gun that killed their secruity guards as much as who hired that gun, and where the package went. I still don't like to leave traces.

[Nikoli]

Actually, we had this stuff we used when I worked at a sex shop. It was an enzyme that broke down animal protein strands, more effective than ammonia, no funms, no damage to fabric.

[wagnern]

Unless your charictor's DNA is on file somewhere (And I dont think the 6th world is quite that 'Big Brother' ish to have DNA libiries on everyone), or they catch you and use the DNA evidence to link you to the crime it should be no problem. Even if the DNA is on file somewhere, they must find it and compare it. Each comparison would involve taking the sample and using HPLC or Thin layer chromotogerphy to analise it. This is a lot of lot of work by well paid lab techs. Even if the comparison samples have already been analised and the film is on file, a trained analist would have to visualy compare the data.

Even if the DNA is digitised somehow (a serous undertaking) it would take some looking. (I serously dought that they are going to go to every street doc and dock wagon in the city and systimaticly go through there records. (If they want you THAT bad. . . )

Now as far as Magic goes, would breaking down the sample really stop a mage from using it to get you? Do chemical reactons affect astral signatures?

All in all, I imagine it depends on how the GM wishes to play the game. If he wants to have your holding up of a Stuffer Shack warrent the use of dragnets, cameras on every sighnpost, spy satilights, Mages, Awakend rats in the sewers who have your picture, the Mounties. . . ;then well he is going to get you and you are basickly screwed.

[Jrayjoker]

[mmu1]

[nezumi]

Wagnern is right, your best defense is the political tangle that is megacorporate reality. If you broke into a Mitsuhama facility and Ares had you on file, it just means your DNA is on file with Mitsuhama, and most subsidiaries of Mitsuhama, unless they're blatantly so (which seems to so rarely be the case) won't bother sending it up the ladder to get checked. So unless you're a regular visitor or it's a major heist, it's cheaper to chalk it up to the cost of doing business. After all, Mitsuhama really isn't in the law enforcement field. Unless the profit outweighs the cost, it's simply not good business.

That said, I suspect that having astral vision may just give you a slight benefit in spotting blood you'd otherwise miss. So elementals or watchers could go a long way. That, or replace all your blood with ammonia. You'll no longer be worrying about DNA evidence at all!

[Demosthenes]

[the_dunner]

[Nikoli]

makes sense, DocWagon has to match you to organs at times and the same sorts of markers to match those could conceivably match a person from DNA evidence.

Now, another thing to keep in mind, Corp's need runners. Pull a run profesisonally, no unnecessary collateral damage, just the target, they might be interested in finding you, for a job not necessarily for retribution (though the two aren't mutually exclusive).

[Edward]

I believed your DNA was recorded with your SIN, of cause this s not a problem if you don’t have a SIN.

After a blood spatter has been sprayed with ammonia it can still be detected as blood but not from who (the DNA has been destroyed but several proteins that are common to everybody’s blood remain). This is also the other advantage of the blood bomb (modified cockroach bomb) it is a pervasive effect that will reach every spot and every crack. As a bonus it will detour pursuit

Also the medical examiner shows are highly inaccurate, aside form eth fact that forensic examiners don’t get to talk to suspects the amount of effort expended is only as shown for the most high profile cases, there are far to many crimes committed to put that kind of manpower on most of them, this will be more so in the 6th world.

Edward

[mmu1]