Need help creating a detection spell, Gaydar Options

[hyzmarca]

To avoid embarasing situations at mage pickup bars I'm trying to create a spell that allows the user to determine sexual preferance by sight. Maybe I'm not reading the rules closely enough but I can't seem to find a way to make such a multipurpose spell.

Detect homosexual, detect hetrosexual, and detect bisexual would be usefull, but the karma costs combined with sustaining penalities make three such spells costly. Add in detect asexual and detect various paraphilias and the costs only get higher.

So if I want to hook up with a pair of bisexual elf bondage queens without making an absurdly high etiquite test what am I to do?

[Herald of Verjig...]

[Garland]

That's great, if only because it would make the GM think up pickup lines appropriate to the viable subjects.

Elf male to troll female: "Hey, baby, you know it's not the size, but how you use it."

____ to ork ganger: "Nice gang colors; they'd look great on the floor next to my bed."

____ to night one: "Pardon me, (sir/ma'am). I'm a fur inspector subcontracted by the Seattle City government. You may not know, but regulations require that body fur must cover at least 80% of the body for metahumans possessing it. Would you mind if I had a look?"

[Edward]

HV is good

Your mage could solve his problem by casting detect sexual interest (my sex) assuming the character is male female heterosexuals, male homosexuals and all bisexuals will be detected buy this spell. He will be unable to determine whether they would be interested in females, nether would he know whether those that don’t detect desire females or inorganic companions. It also wont tell him whether he will have his head ripped of for being an elf or for using magic, and weather the target will consider this a pleasurable experience.

Edward

[Aku]

or maybe just a "Detect Sexual Interest" spell, that would give a colored overlay based on the person's preferences and the shade/intensity show's desire (on enough successes)...

Blue-lookin for males
red/pink--looking for females
purple(being the mixture of blue and red) for bi

[The Stainless St...]

I would just use Mind Probe for this. Looking for specific info, modified by environment - typically this would be deep mind interaction, unless the target is aroused for some reason, in which case it would be surface thoughts.

[Mortax]

Of course, mind probe requires touch, and if you are already touching them......:-)
Sorry, had to say it. :grinbig:

I'd go with HV's sudjestion, if nothing else because it's funny as hell. :-)

[nick012000]

Just find a person you like the looks of, and hit them with a Control Emotions spell. Make 'em sexually attracted to you.

[Fresno Bob]

You don't even need magic. Just whack 'em with a club and do it Caveman style.

[Glyph]

[hermit]

[weblife]

Actually I think this spell is kinda silly... I'd say its just trolling.

But anyway. You miss an important aspect of detection. Awareness.

Your spell looks into someones head for their sexual preference. Bt what criteria do you use?

- What turns them on?
-- I don't have to go in depth with how twisted most people really are, do I?
-- Having a fantasy is not the same as being willing to go through with it.


- What previous experiences they have in memory?
-- What if they have not realised their "true" calling, so to say?
-- What if external influences have shaped their experiences so far?

My point being, this spell is completely useless in almost any applicable way. Unless you define the reply it sends you, as the specific best visual temptation that target will react on.

[hermit]

Well, so far, let's assume he is serious about the gaydar spell. Maybe his GM screwed with his char trying to pick someone up at a mage bar?

anyway, for your question, weblife: You can go by [inherent] orientation (not practice or preference). Won't go too much in depth, but will tell you quite reliably what sex anyone, in principle, feels attracted to.

That would NOT detect elf lesbian BDSM enthusiasts, but it would fairly well tell you whether it's boys, girls or both for any given person scanned. HV's spell goes more in depth and is likely a type of mind probe lite, probing the subconscious only, hence reducing TN, since it's harder to resist anyone poking around in yoru subconscious. It should not go unnoticed, though, anyway, now that I think of it.

[weblife]

[hermit]

[BitBasher]

[weblife]

Ok, mind puzzle for you.

If gaydom (is that a term?) is gentically pronounced, then why do they still exist?

I mean, if its not dominant in the genetic makeup, then why isn't it bred out. And if it is dominant, how does the carries procreate?

No, IMO being gay is a social reaction to outside stimuli. Its normal for humans to love other humans. We love our children, siblings, parents, friends and partners.

In our society its been socially indoctrinated by religion for a few thousand years, that same sex couplings are evil. This has led to a situation where loving one sex, or more naturally, one person of the same sex, automatically puts you in the social straitjacket of being gay.

This is complicated stuff, and my example doesn't nearly cover it.

But if we look at other species of animals, we will discover that same sex couplings are not rare. Triangles are not rare either. Pack mentality is not uncommon either.

What I'm getting at, is that the point where affection for another of the same sex crosses over from being platonic to sexual should be a much more gray area than it is portrayed to be today.

Its a very simple issue of where you draw the line on socially acceptable behaviour. In ancient Greece homosexuality was common. Women for getting shildren, young boys for fun. Not exactly acceptable by todays standards. (And I'm not advocating it either, just using it as an example we all have heard about)

On some polynesian islands the young men live apart, and some sources claim thay are very friendly among eachother.

Neither of these examples of homosexuality exclude them from also mating with, and being attracted to the opposite sex.

Our modern day, western society gay man, is straight in his sexual preference. Its dictated by society that he belong to that caste. His behaviour may be influenced by it, and exaggerated by himself to strengthen his image of himself as a member of that caste. Jean Paul Gaultier introduced the swinging wrists and slight lisp. Its not older than that, yet there have been homosexuals for as long as any life has exited on the planet.

I could build a very strong case, that homosexuality is just a social expression, determined and shaped by the community in which it finds itself. - It does not mean that homosexuals can be "cured" though. They are not sick. The feeling of attraction for someone/her/him can be strong enough to trigger lust for said person. Its much more likely that the western worlds view on homosexuality will soften to a level where the lines blur even further.

The current rage in the US, where negative is gay, is quite amusing, as it proves beyond any doubt that sexual identity in in the line of fire more than it has ever been before. The kids don't know what they are yet, but they know that they definately do not want to be the scorn of society, ie. gay. Now where do they learn that being gay is a stigma? - At home!

Building a case that can unequivocally prove that homosexuality is genetically conditioned is impossible by todays standard. And IMO, false.

Ahh.. Ya. That covers it. Sorry for the rant.

And I'm a perfectly healthy male, who prefers women. :P - My personal social limit is hugging other men. Meditate on your own limits.

[nezumi]

I really don't know if this is the appropriate place for a debate on homosexuality. Studies have been done to support either side, and neither side has enough evidence to make a conclusive, undebatable argument (not that it has anything to do with SR in the first place). Lets just accept that all female elves are lesbians, and most of them are played by 12-15 year old boys and move on.

[hermit]

[Penta]

This is not the place. Move it to Bulldrek, pleaaaaase?

[Shadow]

[hermit]

[weblife]

[Penta]

That really isn't an excuse.

[hermit]