 The Big Picture, Why SR4? |
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 Jun 9 2005, 07:07 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 18-August 03 From: North VA Member No.: 5,519  |
Thankee :) Perhaps my problem with the way things are set up in SR3 is that it seems like there isn't enough ground between 'the best of the best' and 'amateur'. It always seemed to me that by the way it was described, the jump between 'professional' and 'uncannily excellent' was too short. If the human limit of an attribute is six, that implies that there is such a tiny percentage of such people available that having a PC who has that naturally is difficult, and having more than one is silly, especially since Shadowrunners are themselves a very small part of the community. Same thing with skills. Now, if the scale was, say, one to a hundred, with your typical professional shadowrunner's skills and attributes falling in the 70-85 percentile of the population, that would seem to me to be a little more reasonable. |
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Jun 9 2005, 08:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
Agrred. Having Professional level characters is one of the reasons I love the game. Tired of playing 1st level characters. Hopefully they will have a system in place to start people out at whatever campaihn level they want; Street punk, ameture, pro, expierenced pro, and Prime Runner. If not, and your stuck playing low level chars (Withou house ruling) then that would just plain suck. |
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Jun 9 2005, 10:53 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
I'm sure they'll have options at chargen available. Rob & FanPro may change a lot of things and mechanics in the SR-setting, but they are not so stupid to make the chargen a one-way-street which only allows 1st level characters.
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Jun 9 2005, 10:57 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
A point-based priority system is, by default, easy to adjust to your liking compared to the alphabetic system. The former only requires you to adjust how many points you allow, while the later requires you to adjust the entire grid.
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Jun 9 2005, 11:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
With the exception of Cash. That was capped at a million - non linear progression.. Hopefully the new system wil cover that.......
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Jun 9 2005, 11:38 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Right. I belive that. |
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Jun 9 2005, 11:55 PM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
That presumes a straight-buy system. Once you get into progressive costs, things get wonky real fast. Try comparing characters built with Build Points versus those built with BeCKs, you'll see what I mean. |
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Jun 10 2005, 01:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 18-August 03 From: North VA Member No.: 5,519 |
I don't have anything against the starting characters being professional; as I said, it's more of an issue of where the text says the 'best possible human' attributes are, and, based on that, where characters have to be to be professional. It just seemed unrealistic that your typical professional Shadowrunner is one of the most brilliant people on the planet, or setting Guiness Book World records with their amazing maximum human attainable strength of...6. Which is what any runner based on strength has. I just don't like how the scaling was portrayed. |
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Jun 10 2005, 01:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 134 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 1,525 |
Humans could raise all attributes to 9 with karma in SR3. Having an attribute of 6 would put you in the top 8-5% of the population, but you were a long way from being the best in the world.
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Jun 10 2005, 04:41 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
They could actually go up higher than that; with the Exceptional Attribute edge, a human would have a racial max of 11. So, 11 represents the absolute pinnacle of human achievement, as opposed to 6.
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Jun 10 2005, 07:55 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Superman! :D
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Jun 10 2005, 08:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 134 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 1,525 |
In other words, starting runners were no where near the best, and almost no characters raised their attributes to the point where they were even in the top 3% of the most gifted (in that attribute) people in the world. Seems about right to me, you need to be above average to survive in a profession like shadowrunning I would think.
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Jun 10 2005, 01:24 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
And you need a team as no reasonable runner is able to fullfill all needed roles alone.
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Jun 10 2005, 01:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 18-August 03 From: North VA Member No.: 5,519 |
Well then, I withdraw my complaint. I was under the impression that 6 was the best you could do, and everything above that was superhuman and supernatural. |
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Jun 10 2005, 02:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
It's just a hell of a lot easier to take the superhuman/supernatural route to get there. |
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Jun 11 2005, 02:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 369 Joined: 1-September 03 From: New York State Member No.: 5,563 |
Thread drift is absolutely amazing.
Thanos |
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Jun 13 2005, 02:29 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
No kidding. Assuming you start at 7, it costs over a hundred karma to raise your stat that far. |
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Jun 13 2005, 06:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 134 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 1,525 |
When your life is training for the powerlifting event in the unaugmented olympics, that's not far-fetched. Runners have to be a little less specialized. You see a lot of bright, strong, charismatic people in the shadows, but that's because you have to be above average to survive past the "gang drug mule" stage of street life.
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