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 Jun 4 2005, 07:22 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992  |
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Disclaimer #1: No, it's not me. The guy's a Canadian expat. Disclaimer #2: It's not Adam, either. Disclaimer #3: Nor Ada. :P |
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Jun 4 2005, 07:42 PM
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I ain't sayin' nuthin'
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Jun 4 2005, 08:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
Wow, someone created an online journal for what appears to be the express purpose of calling Shadowrun 4th Editon's detractors "swine". How thoughtful and constructive.
That... that's just swell. |
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Jun 4 2005, 08:13 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Naw, he's also grumping about Green Ronin. ;-)
[A few factual/historic mistakes in his SR post too, but I think all of us can spot them easily enough, and they don't really impact on his premise and conclusion.] |
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Jun 4 2005, 08:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
I'd actually write up a detailed and strong countargument for the things he stated, on the journal, but I have made it a policy of mine to never put any work into posts on blogs. The ability of the owner to delete comments permits just the sort of censorship that everyone complains about, but the majority of people gleefully employ when they possess the means. I've had one too many well-formed arguments deleted because it's easier to hit a button than to address my points.
I'm sure nothing that's posted in response to that blog entry, on the actual blog, will have a long shelf-life if it's not an agreement. |
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Jun 4 2005, 08:49 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
I'd reply, too. But I just don't give a fuck what some jackass posts on his blog, that he can't say directly to anyone's face (such as it is), even on an internet forum.
I mean, I can go say whatever I want about anyone I want over on some livejournal or something -- it doesn't make it true, it just lets me say it where no one can argue or reply meaningfully. Feeding the troll by giving his precious blog attention will just convince him he matters. |
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Jun 4 2005, 09:13 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
I don't think he'll remove "negative" criticism, as the guy seems to love debating. IIRC, they banned him from RPG.net for being *too* argumentative against WoD or something like that. Last thing I heard, he was pissing off Steve Kenson at the Blue Rose forums. EDIT: Make that "most people at the Blue Rose forums." This post has been edited by JongWK: Jun 6 2005, 12:07 AM |
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Jun 4 2005, 09:24 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 4-June 05 From: Fredericton, NB, Canada Member No.: 7,429 |
Remember that this guy is writing to people who are not the SR diehards. It's his opinion that SR is fading (mine as well), and that it needed updating. The revision excites my players who agree that there needs to be something done about the system to make it better.
We all love the setting, and have played it since the beginng. But with every new edition there have been many problems solved and many created. We all have our opinions about the proposed changes, but we REALLY hope that the rules make it more cinematic feeling. The reason we play is for fun and enjoyment, and a better feel to the dice mechanic can go a long way to help with that. |
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Jun 4 2005, 11:09 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
He's an idiot.
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Jun 4 2005, 11:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
Silence, swine !! |
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Jun 4 2005, 11:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 27-January 03 From: Kentucky, USA Member No.: 3,958 |
Oh god, is that Nisarg? I seriously didn't need to see him in his boxers. x.x While I don't like all the vitriol against SR4 I see, I wouldn't go to Nisarg for an objective opinion if he were the last man on Earth. He's a troll, nothing more. |
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Jun 4 2005, 11:13 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 4-June 05 From: Fredericton, NB, Canada Member No.: 7,429 |
That's not really for you to say Shadow....let the guy have an opinion of his own. It seems to be the direction that FanPro is going anyway.
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Jun 4 2005, 11:19 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
This paragraph gets a 10 from me for vehemence and killer instinct. I like this guy's writing style, I really do. However, people in this forum seem to be pretty knowledgable about other RPG systems, so I don't think that it's correct to say that there's a "disconnection" from "the modern hobby". Also, how does he know that anyone decided "Shadowrun wasn't worth the effort"? Did he conduct consumer surveys? I didn't think so. EDIT: Wow, this guy is the funniest thing since sliced bread! I love his invectives.
So awesome...such fun writing. |
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Jun 4 2005, 11:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
You, sir, smell of pork. |
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Jun 5 2005, 03:21 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
Ultimately, based on what this guy has said about Shadowrun and Blue Rose, it seems like what he regards as the most important in a pen and paper RPG is simplicity of rules. His writing is all from the assumption that simplicity of a system is the end all and be all of gaming. He dosen't, for example, seem to care at all whether a system is more or less realistic. EDIT: Also, I think he's ill in the head.
From having read the Blue Rose quickstart rules it just seems like stripped-down D20 with a great many of the combat rules removed and the possibility of falling to the dark side ripped off from Star Wars D20. What's so great about it? EDIT: Ha ha, I'm this guy's new fan. Look, he just pwned the whole Blue Rose forum! http://bluerose.greenronin.com/forum/viewt...der=asc&start=0 That's so funny. They're all whining and caterwauling like 4 year olds over him. |
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Jun 5 2005, 04:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 775 Joined: 31-March 05 From: florida Member No.: 7,273 |
you know what, i wrote this guy a very scathing remark, but that blasted blog requires you to be a member to post, they can kiss my hoop, i aint joining just to tell someone they're a fragging idiot....deep breaths, deep breaths......in fact i really wish i had saved it and posted it here, it might open your eyes, i did get rambling for a few but i finally got on track with it and i think i made my points very well
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Jun 5 2005, 05:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 26-February 02 From: UCAS Member No.: 1,015 |
Newsflash: Man Who Hates Shadowrun Enjoys Seeing Angry Shadowrun Fans
Future headline: Man Who Hates Shadowrun Hates SR4, Cites Lack of D20 Similarity |
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Jun 5 2005, 05:13 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 30-April 02 From: Taiwan, Kaohsiung UB chapter Member No.: 2,665 |
I could go into a long rant on this guys reasoning, objectivity (or lack thereof) and general self-absorbed idiocy. But I won't.
Because he's an arse. Anyone that can prattle on for several paragraphs about something they've quite clearly stated they know very little about just isn't worth arguing with. I mean "the revolutionary advent of D20"? Where do you even start? The answer is don't. Leave him. Let him live in his little world with all the other self-engrossed prats and let them think they're still part of an intelectual minority. Oink. Oink. |
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Jun 5 2005, 05:20 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Oh I didn't call him an idiot because of his opinion. I called him an idiot cause the first thing he says is that he "never really liked or played Shadowrun. The Setting is okay but I didn't like the rules." It's one thing to hear someone give an opinion about something that they are knowledgable about, another to have some idiot who doesn't know anything about Shadowrun give it. His history is wrong, his 'facts' are wrong and I can't give anyone credit for that. As Adam said, he's a troll. |
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Jun 5 2005, 05:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 775 Joined: 31-March 05 From: florida Member No.: 7,273 |
having read his posts in the blue rose forum and in the True 20 forum i have to agree, they guy is a troll and an unmitigated 4$$, and three of my points to him were thus:
if you like the setting but dont like the system then dont play if you like the system but dont like the setting then dont play if you dont play keep your mouth shut you have no room to talk about the game |
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Jun 5 2005, 05:52 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 4-June 05 Member No.: 7,427 |
You mean this part?
The mistake is obvious, it should be "lesbian immortal elf decker". ;)
No kidding. For a guy that hasn't even posted here look how many people's cornflakes he managed to piss in. :rotfl: EDIT: Or maybe he posted here after all. You live down the street from him JongWK? |
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Jun 5 2005, 11:15 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
*shrugs* It's all opinion. If I agree with him anywhere, it's that the "unwashed masses" fear is total crap. It is possible to make Shadowrun a widely-popular game and also a good game; making it widely-popular does not mean you need to water it down.
The idea that FanPro wants to do that is great. Whether they are doing it right is the big question, but one that can't really be answered yet. |
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Jun 5 2005, 02:57 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
I dunno, dude. I really, really liked his comments about the Blue Rose "magic deer." They were so much fun to read. Why all the hate for this guy? I think he's a lot of fun. I wouldn't call him a troll...if he isn't serious than it would be more accurate to call him a gimmick. Either way, what's the purpose in calling him an "ass" just because he dislikes Blue Rose, SR, and people who play Vampire? He writes about it in an extremely funny way. |
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Jun 5 2005, 03:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
That guy has no idea what SR is, was, or will be. He is in no place to comment intelligently on anything surrounding SR, other than the supposed "swine" who are fighting to save SR from it's own "progress".
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Jun 5 2005, 03:50 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
Actually, d20/OGL was a pretty damn smart idea from a business point of view. One of the guys behind it stated clearly in the months prior to the release that basically, nearly all RPG sales end up in the long run contributing to increasing the sales of the dominant game in the market (someone buys Earthdawn, can't find anyone to play it with, settles for still playing a fantasy RPG, and joins a D&D group) so they designed the system from the ground up to encourage this effect. It's up there with Steve Jackson getting people to buy GURPS supplements when the majority of them weren't even playing the game... |
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