I don't think he'll remove "negative" criticism, as the guy seems to love debating. IIRC, they banned him from RPG.net for being *too* argumentative against WoD or something like that. Last thing I heard, he was pissing off Steve Kenson at the Blue Rose forums.

EDIT: Make that "most people at the Blue Rose forums."

Silence, swine !!

Oh god, is that Nisarg? I seriously didn't need to see him in his boxers. x.x

While I don't like all the vitriol against SR4 I see, I wouldn't go to Nisarg for an objective opinion if he were the last man on Earth. He's a troll, nothing more.

This paragraph gets a 10 from me for vehemence and killer instinct. I like this guy's writing style, I really do.

However, people in this forum seem to be pretty knowledgable about other RPG systems, so I don't think that it's correct to say that there's a "disconnection" from "the modern hobby".

Also, how does he know that anyone decided "Shadowrun wasn't worth the effort"? Did he conduct consumer surveys? I didn't think so.



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Wow, this guy is the funniest thing since sliced bread! I love his invectives.

So awesome...such fun writing.

You, sir, smell of pork.

From having read the Blue Rose quickstart rules it just seems like stripped-down D20 with a great many of the combat rules removed and the possibility of falling to the dark side ripped off from Star Wars D20. What's so great about it?


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Ha ha, I'm this guy's new fan.

Look, he just pwned the whole Blue Rose forum!

http://bluerose.greenronin.com/forum/viewt...der=asc&start=0

That's so funny. They're all whining and caterwauling like 4 year olds over him.

Oh I didn't call him an idiot because of his opinion. I called him an idiot cause the first thing he says is that he "never really liked or played Shadowrun. The Setting is okay but I didn't like the rules."

It's one thing to hear someone give an opinion about something that they are knowledgable about, another to have some idiot who doesn't know anything about Shadowrun give it.

His history is wrong, his 'facts' are wrong and I can't give anyone credit for that. As Adam said, he's a troll.

You mean this part?

The mistake is obvious, it should be "lesbian immortal elf decker".

No kidding. For a guy that hasn't even posted here look how many people's cornflakes he managed to piss in.

EDIT: Or maybe he posted here after all. You live down the street from him JongWK?

I dunno, dude. I really, really liked his comments about the Blue Rose "magic deer." They were so much fun to read.

Why all the hate for this guy? I think he's a lot of fun.

I wouldn't call him a troll...if he isn't serious than it would be more accurate to call him a gimmick. Either way, what's the purpose in calling him an "ass" just because he dislikes Blue Rose, SR, and people who play Vampire? He writes about it in an extremely funny way.

Actually, d20/OGL was a pretty damn smart idea from a business point of view.

One of the guys behind it stated clearly in the months prior to the release that basically, nearly all RPG sales end up in the long run contributing to increasing the sales of the dominant game in the market (someone buys Earthdawn, can't find anyone to play it with, settles for still playing a fantasy RPG, and joins a D&D group) so they designed the system from the ground up to encourage this effect.

It's up there with Steve Jackson getting people to buy GURPS supplements when the majority of them weren't even playing the game...

Actually, he lives 2-3 kilometers from my home, and about 5 blocks from my grandparent's. He's quite an interesting guy once you get to know him outside a forum.

BTW, that's a picture of Hunter S. Thompson.

Except for the fact that his comments were flatly wrong. He just hates the setting in its entirety, for personal/political reasons.

Do you consider it "fun" and "funny" when someone intentionally comes into forums for the explicit purpose of pushing people's buttons to make them angry? As well as blatantly violating forum rules, posting direct personal attacks (and denying they were personal attacks), and generally pushing a "my political views are the only right ones, and you're wrong for playing a game that disagrees with my views" agenda?

He's a troll. Even after practically demanding a separate forum for BR's ruleset (True 20) so he could avoid the setting, and getting it, he stayed in the setting forum just to belittle it and the people who enjoy it. It's the same MO no matter what forum he's in. He's been banned from RPG.net for it, as well as a few other places.

Well, I'm not familiar with the Blue Rose setting. Is there no magic deer?

I dunno, I find that funny. Like, look at Kungfools at bullshido.net. That is *the* reason he goes there, and as a result he's entertaining. You can even butt heads with him in debate if you want.

I don't see why the aforementioned behavior upsets people. If you know someone is being a gimmick or a troll, why is that bothersome? Either ignore them, or play with them by debating them.

I think that people are just being extremely over sensitive towards him.

How dare he.

How dare he what? Acknowledge upfront that his style is over-the-top, acrid, confrontational, rude and subjective and suppositily alcohol and nicotine fueled? Or you mean Hunter S. Thompson was always right and he is so damn wrong? Hunter S. Thompson was no flawless oracle, and sadly it only requires a review of this single thread to see how close to home the guy hits at times.

An entertaining spectacle with artistic license and a smattering of insight. What do you think Hunter S. Thompson was about?

There is a "magic deer." All it does is oversee who can and can not become part of the government, by sensing whether or not they are "corrupt." If you listen to Nisarg, the deer is an absolute dictator with the powers of Superman that could cleanse the whole planet of evil, but doesn't, but would turn everyone into pink happy gay communist fairies with no free will of their own if it did.

So, yeah. he's wrong.

The trouble is, you can't ignore him. He goes out of his way to press people's buttons, make flatly wrong claims, and then attack anyone who tries to correct him. He doesn't debate, he just argues pointlessly.

Also, folks don't always know Nisarg (especially when he uses a sock puppet account, which he has done from time to time on RPG.net). How are they expected to ignore him?

Sensitive? No. Just really, really damn tired of his asshole nature pissing in everyone's pool.

Heh, you know what's funny? When I read your paragraph, I immediately thought of Lord British.

Anyway, from how you described the deer, it still sounds like a deus ex machina to make sure that everyone in the government has Lawful Good alignment; it sounds like a flawless Detect Alignment casting machine.

Now, I'm not saying that that in and of itself makes a setting bad. It depends on the type of game that you want to play; in a "classic" D&D game there would be no problem in casting Detect Alignment right and left, so it's obviously something that a lot of campaigns would have no problem with.

So, yeah, you're right. That dosen't necessarily mean there's a bad setting. But, I do think that Nisarg is sort of right in pointing out that it seems like a deus ex machina to ensure certain conditions in the game world.

I dunno, that just dosen't seem like a big deal to me. I deal with people like that all the time, and have fun butting heads with them when I feel energetic enough.

They could just ignore anyone who they feel consistiently makes posts that are so extreme they couldn't possibly be serious.

My pool must be a golden treasure trove of urine, then. I dunno, it just dosen't bother me.

Oh, great. Now they gave Nisarg the honor of having pwned all of Uraguay when it comes to RPGs.

Anyway, the admin sound like real boneheads. They can't deal with a single troll/gimmick so they go ahead and ban a whole country. Pathetic.

They have also demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that they have no damn sense of humor.

That's not at all an uncommon response. Well, with one exception: usually it's done in response to widespread spamming and/or DDOS/DOS attacks. Doing it for one person, if that's indeed what they did (and assuming he wasn't operating a botnet), is both unusual and just plain idiotic.

You have clearly never been a sysadmin.

~J

The trick is, it's part of the genre. Blue Rose is made to emulate "romantic fantasy" novels, where there usually is an absolute good, "natural" group vs. an absolute evil, "unnatural" group. Aldis (the kingdom in question), is the former.

So, basically yes, the "magic deer" is a DEM. But, it's a DEM that fits the genre the game was made to emulate, so Nisarg just comes off as a pretentious jerk by constantly attacking it in the game's own forums. It's kinda like attacking Shadowrun for having megacorporations, repeatedly, on Dumpshock. You could easily rip the megacorps out of the game if you wanted, but it's kinda pointless to constantly rip into other people who like having Ares and S-K in SR.

As to the rest, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I just can't see the point in wanting to annoy other people in a public space, but maybe I'm strange that way.

When it comes to Nisarg, taking off and nuking the site from orbit is the only way to be sure.

Seriously, though, I'm sorry Jong got caught up in that. Unfortunately, Nis has a habit of sock-puppetry, so I guess the admins are a bit trigger happy when they suspect him coming back.

And, for the record, Nisarg got banned well before Blue Rose ever came out. He was just that bad with everything else.