 "Hacker" Insight, RL Augmented Reality Silliness |
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 Jun 6 2005, 06:12 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 22-June 02 From: Parts Without Member No.: 2,897  |
The future is now.
It doesn't take a lot of imagination to think of SR4 applications of this technology. I just wonder what it will mean for "room-specific" IC (i.e., a threat, tagged to the dataspace of a certain part of a corp building). Watch out for that "Blinky" utility! |
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Jun 6 2005, 06:23 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
An interesting article. I can see how this could evolve into a technospace overlaying the real world.
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Jun 6 2005, 06:25 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Oh man I want the Quake version of this. Lets see those fat jerks who like to camp spawn points do a roll to avoid incoming fire :)
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Jun 6 2005, 07:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 22-June 02 From: Parts Without Member No.: 2,897 |
I get the feeling that SR4 "technospace" (a good term, Jray) is going to be the new astral of SR4. It's one thing when the mage says, "there's an elemental in the next room--get the sandblaster ready" and an entirely different kettle of fish when the hacker announces "There's some mean IC holed up down the hall. Um...if blood starts pouring from my ears...well...I guess you guys can't do anything about that. *gulp*"
Much as augmented reality sounds like a cool way of bringing deckers out of their mothers' basements, I worry at how easily the new hackers will be integrated into a running team. |
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Jun 6 2005, 07:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 21-March 05 From: Freeport NY Member No.: 7,205 |
Agreed with Joe.
I don't mind a technospace sort of approach to the wireless net. The problem is, I -love- the Matrix as it is. (I know, I'm crazy) I want to see it still exist. I would want to make Cyberdecks far smaller and sleeker, and see the technospace as only part of a computer network, not the whole thing. Wait, I'm speaking too soon - We have no idea what "hackers" will be doing. Fanpro hasn't said much. |
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Jun 6 2005, 07:28 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
The military training implications are staggering.
IIRC the civilian population does not have access to the same accuracy in GPS tech as the military(10-30 m versus less than 1 m for the military), the feds could probably develop this for training at a level of accuracy that would be frightening to behold. |
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Jun 6 2005, 08:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 149 Joined: 21-March 05 From: UCAS (if its tuesday) Member No.: 7,200 |
that was with selective availability turned on. since the late 90's the US gov't has turned that off, giving civilan recevers the same accuracy (best accracy of +- 1m) this was due to many civilan SAR groups using GPS and the licencing of GPS for critical navigation. (auto land features) the limit on the accuracy is largly due to the long wavelenth of the GPS signal. so the GPS to an inch wil not happen. unless someone can make a shortwave signal travel very long distances without ionasphere propogation (the way shortwave radio reaches the entire globe)
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Jun 6 2005, 08:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 4-June 05 Member No.: 7,427 |
Further GPS signals are vulnerable to distortion by the water vapour in clouds. There are some fixed point weather stations that use this phenomenon to measure atmosphere conditions by variations in GPS readings at a known fixed point.
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Jun 6 2005, 09:00 PM
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Guests |
Repost
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Jun 6 2005, 10:24 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 20-May 05 Member No.: 7,405 |
"Hiro, you're a gargoyle."
"No, this is different." |
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Jun 6 2005, 11:05 PM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
From the way it sounds, they are trying to make all characters "part-hacker". I seem to remember them saying that everybody will have to be wired in in some way.
This I don't like if it's true. |
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| Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_* |
Jun 7 2005, 02:31 AM
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Where did you get that impression?
I mean, sure technology is ubiquitous in 'civilized' areas like it is now, but that seems like a stretch. |
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Jun 7 2005, 09:03 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Bah, I can't find it.
Something about making augmented reality a part of everyday life that every character has to interact with on a daily basis. Damn I wish I could find where I saw that. |
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Jun 7 2005, 12:24 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Just thought I'd add this story I came across this morning to the mix.
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Jun 7 2005, 12:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 908 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Georgia Member No.: 7,270 |
Two weeks later
Tokyo- Olympus Corp is reeling from the tragic commuter jet crash over the Sea of Japan. which killed the executive board of of that tech development office. The Olympus Corp had made business news with the announcement of their preparations for HUD unit being ready for market... In related news Sony Corporation moved to acquire Olympus today. Sony stock is up 1.50 on the news. :cyber: |
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Jun 7 2005, 12:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 17-April 05 Member No.: 7,341 |
You saw that on the preview of SR4, when the information was released in march (I think so, at least). I mean I remember the article which was about "augmented reality", but I cannot find it again... In my opinion, this doesn't mean that all the people will be "hackers"... See, you have a computer, an internet connexion, and you are not a hacker (... or, are you :) ? ). I think they are trying to stick to the way our society is evolving : we are using more and more the internet, computers, chips, and so there should be more application of this technology in 2070... But, let's say, it's not because everybody is using a car that everybody can fix/build a car... |
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Jun 7 2005, 12:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 908 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Georgia Member No.: 7,270 |
Oh. (more relevant post) It also reminds me of the piece of tech from Virtual Light, by Gibson.
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Jun 7 2005, 01:21 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Haven't read it, whats it do? |
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Jun 7 2005, 03:15 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
I believe the US military reserved the right to turn there GPS encryption back on if they want to, it is however unlikely that they will do this in any situation other than full scale world war.
As to the ubiquitous nature of WMI AROs and the technology to see them there are 2 broad categories of people that will not have them. People that don’t want them, mainly overly zealous mages, conspiracy theorists with mind control theorys and those that believe they don’t need it. The second group is the poor, where is somebody that was born in a squat and has to raid trashcans for food going to get even HUD goggles, and if he dose would he not sell them for a good meal medicine Edward |
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Jun 7 2005, 03:47 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
If memory serves, it was a cool visor (sort of like that 3D eye cover thing Nintendo tried to market wayyy back in the day). When the wearer put them on and looked around at the city, all of the future plans for it were overlayed over the existing city, so he could see new buildings and all their important information pasted seemlessly over the currently existing buildings. But I might just be misremembering. Wasn't a terrific book, but wasn't bad. |
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Jun 13 2005, 12:42 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 73 Joined: 4-June 05 Member No.: 7,426 |
They'd better make "computer illiterate" or "jack itch' MUCH more valuable :)
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Jun 14 2005, 07:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 27-January 03 From: Kentucky, USA Member No.: 3,958 |
Y'know, I've been seeing about this kind of tech on Scientific American Frontiers since I was in grade school. MIT's been working on it for years. Saw a recent episode where they went back to MIT to see how things have improved and, damn if it isn't impressive how far things have come.
Mix in some things like 802.11x, Bluetooth, RFID, a PDA and a transparent LED screen in a pair of glasses (or a projection display onto glasses) and you've got "augmented reality" that can display the name of the current art you're viewing in the museum, let you look up the artist's other works available in the building, do a search for how valuable the painting is online and send a copy of all the information to your home machine with a note, "Possible heist next week. Check Lone Star's response time for this area!" :D |
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Jun 14 2005, 09:37 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 14-June 05 Member No.: 7,444 |
I'm trying to find the article I read a while back where Sony filed a patent for neural nets... Seems like they believe it's a technology that could become available in the next 10 years, and as such it looks like the "old" Matrix system could be edging closer too...
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Jun 15 2005, 04:41 PM
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Generally all that augmented reality stuff these articles are talking about means that a computer somewhere projects something into your field of vision - and as long as you receive these things with some kind of external gear like goggles you should be fine. If, however, you want to interact with these consructs, maybe even cause them to display data you're not really entitled to see, you need to really plug youself (i.e. your brain) into that augmented reality server. In that case I don't see why certain programs (ICE, "digital fireballs") should not be able to fry you. |
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| Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_* |
Jun 15 2005, 06:07 PM
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Guests |
Because I was specifically referring to non-DNI AR.
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