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Incorrect, on quite a few points. Shadowtech was one of the very last first edition books. Bioware saw no updates throughout second edition, as none of the bioware present in Shadowtech employed mechanics that changed when the editions changed. The first time it was touched after Shadowtech was Man and Machine, a third edition sourcebook, which changed a lot of various pieces of bioware's mechanical functionality, as well as changing from the Body-linked Body Index to the unlinked Bio Index and Essence-linked Essence Index to measure bioware impact. The conversion of bioware-laden characters between 1st Edition and 2nd Edition was cake. Nothing changed. The conversion of bioware-laden characters between 2nd Edition and 3rd Edition was quite involved, as various pieces had been split into multiple pieces or restatted in terms of performance, cost, and system impact. System impact itself worked quite differently, too, and you might find suddenly that your Body 6, Essence 0.1 Street Samurai whose Body Index of 5.0 in SR2, below his actual Body rating and thus kosher, was pretty far over his Essence Index, thus causing a number of problems he had prior not had to worry about. Also, in SR1/SR2, it was unstated but supported in every single adventure module that Bioware reduced Awakened characters' Essence attributes by its Body Index, but did not impact Magic. This was weird, but I rolled with it. In SR3, Bioware ceased to reduce Essence for them, and instead did some strange effective reducing of Magic that was a step in the right direction. Errata further adjusted this to normal magic loss simply factoring in Bio Index, which I think is the best solution. Either way, not trying to insult you, just saying that a lot of the points you just stated were inaccurate. |
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Jun 10 2005, 10:38 AM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Umm, I need to check this, but I am pretty sure Shadowtech German was a 2nd edition book.
And as for conversion ... I said bioware was pretty much just carried over. Cyberware was a tad different. |
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Jun 10 2005, 10:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
Ah, my experience is with the United States product line.
If Shadowtech, in German releases, was actually the rules put forth in the U.S. Man and Machine sourcebook, then you are correct. If that is not the case, however, my comment on the transitions (smooth from SR1 to SR2, rather extensive conversion required from SR2 to SR3) still stands. |
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Jun 10 2005, 10:55 AM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Yup, the official German SR site lists ST as a 2nd edition book (click, it's in the Regelwerke (rule books) section). The header says it lists all products published since 2nd edition.
The rules used in ST were - if I remember correctly, I don't have that book anymore so I cannot look it up - quite the same as they ended up in M&M (magic loss equals bio index). |
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Jun 10 2005, 11:49 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
Geez, you get pictures and more guns in your big-book-o-combat, and you get the SR3 bioware mechanics before SR3 came out. It must be awesome being a German Shadowrun player.
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Jun 10 2005, 12:03 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Yeah, we're t3h l33t, with all our special books and new chapters. I guess FanPro feels the need to make up for publishing Germany SB. :D
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Jun 10 2005, 12:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
Ugh, don't remind me. I've got every Shadowrun book ever printed, in order, on my bookshelf. It was so very hard to train myself to mentally blank out the moments when my gaze shifts between London Sourcebook and The Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North America. I even read that book which shall never be named, once upon a time.
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Jun 10 2005, 05:03 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
That's cool. That's like me!
...okay, that's a little weird. :) |
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Jun 10 2005, 08:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
Yeah, obsessive-compulsive disorder. Things have to be neat, straightened, and ordered by some common and repeatable convention, or I'll end up distracted and/or compelled to rearrange and straighten them. I figure, as far as compulsive behaviors go, I got off pretty easy with mine. It'd be much harder to stay a free man if I had to routinely feed a compulsion to ritualistically murder hookers, for instance. Keeping my bookshelves arranged is logistical child's play in comparison.
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Jun 10 2005, 08:52 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
It's not that difficult. |
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Jun 10 2005, 08:52 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Must be wonderful when they change the numbering schemes
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Jun 10 2005, 09:25 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
What, for the hookers? :D |
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Jun 10 2005, 09:27 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
lol
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Jun 11 2005, 12:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
Heh, that was a long way to go for a laugh.... :grinbig: |
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hahahahahaha I like the way you operate. |
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