 Ally Spirits with Conjuring, "Anything you can do, I can do better!" |
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 Jun 10 2005, 03:21 AM
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Uncle Fisty  Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928  |
Never really thought about it, and I don't think that MiTS addresses it, but is there any reason that an Ally spirit can't have the conjuring skill, and use it to summon spirits or elementals? I assume it would still work the same. Max on call (or able to call if shamanic) is the spirits charisma. Conjures whatever type the summoner conjures. I guess the rules really aren't in question for it (except would it still use shamanic modifiers if it's summoner was a shaman?). Just wondering if there was any reason that they couldn't do it.
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Jun 10 2005, 03:25 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 215 Joined: 12-April 05 From: New York City Member No.: 7,326 |
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Jun 10 2005, 03:27 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
thanks, I always forget to bring my MiTS to work. Usually Hahnsoo covers me on that. WHere's he been anyways?
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Jun 10 2005, 03:31 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
BTW, what about free spirits?
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Jun 10 2005, 03:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 215 Joined: 12-April 05 From: New York City Member No.: 7,326 |
I don't have a page reference, but I'm pretty sure that free spirits can't conjure either.
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Jun 10 2005, 04:10 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
"I conjure a conjurer spirit, and use its 3 services to make it conjure three more spirits for me." Kind of like my "create spell" spell.
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Jun 10 2005, 04:50 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
well, if an Ally can't do that, it's not really a problem. But what about free spirits? Any reason they couldn't? They can still learn skills like any one else (well, when they get karma at least).
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Jun 10 2005, 05:06 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Reston VA, USA Member No.: 6,046 |
Unless they're bug mothers... Stray thought... If a bug mother goes free, can it learn Invoking (to conjure other mothers) or channelling? |
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Jun 10 2005, 06:29 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
spirits learning metamagic... could be fun!
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Jun 10 2005, 05:58 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 54 Joined: 29-May 05 Member No.: 7,419 |
Especially since no one except the dragons and IE's know where the bug's home plane is, so you can't permanently kill a free bug spirit.
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Jun 10 2005, 07:11 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
No, bug shamen know and can go questing for the true names of other bugs. The easiest method is to find a mantid shaman.
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Jun 11 2005, 03:18 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Theat wouldn't work for the simple reason that your the three new spirits would owe services to the conjurer spirit, not you. When the conjurer spirit's three srvices are up it can its spirits do whatever it wants.
Free spirits can teach invoking. It is reasonable to assume that Free Spirits know Invoking even if they can't summon. |
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Jun 11 2005, 03:26 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
So if a free spirit can teach invoking, does that mean that it can therefore USE invoking, and can there fore summon, or does it just have a better grasp of how spirits manifest, and can pass that on to the summoner/student
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Jun 11 2005, 03:34 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
It has a better grasp on how spirits manifest. I am pretty sure that all Free Spirits can teach invoking. However, only Insect Queens and Mothers can summon. |
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Jun 11 2005, 03:42 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
THanks. Makes sense with what I've seen in the game at least. Althogh I don't think I've ever seen the actual rule for it. Any idea where the rule can be found (Like Frosty, I'm at work, no books, sad)?
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Jun 11 2005, 06:48 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
According to MiTSp.70 any Free Spirit can teach invoking, but they don't like to and usualy charge double karma.
The Insect Spirit section lists Summoning as an Insect Spirit power and states that it is reserved for Queen and Mothers (P.133). The Free Spirit section doesn't directly state that they cannot summon. However, Summoning is not listed as a Free Spirit power (P.117-118). |
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