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 Jun 10 2005, 07:35 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet;  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760  |
That's debatable. The thing I think is really funny is there's a picture of a volcano on the cover (apparently the secret alien overlords live in a volcano, if memory serves). FYI, anyone who played Fallout 2, remember the Hubologists? Another spoof. |
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Jun 10 2005, 07:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 26-February 02 From: UCAS Member No.: 1,015 |
I'd recommend against this. Besides the obvious copyright issue, it could provoke Scientology to take some action against the author. |
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Jun 10 2005, 08:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
I think that including any reference to Scientology in a RPG produced by a company that is sufficiently small to not have its own legal department would be a phenomenally bad idea. They've got a long history of suing anyone that says anything bad about them, or even anything non-good, into oblivion. Unless we want a book that amounts to a recruitment pamphlet for them or their logical successor, all that can really be done is very careful tongue-in-cheek humor. I'm sure that the UB was in some fashion inspired by them, but it was likely inspired on a level so far removed from fact and trademark that it was legally unassailable and/or too oblique to draw the attention of their all-seeing legal eye.
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Jun 10 2005, 08:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
These secret texts are not made up. At least a few of them were revealed as evidence during a prolonged lawsuit. As for the others, they are supposedly leaked by people who have infiltrated the Scientologists. Given how crazy the confirmed texts are, I am inclined to believe that the other stuff is real. FYI, the secret texts are called "Operating Thetan" manuals. For more information, go to wikipedia and look up Xenu, Operating Thetan, and Mystery Religions.
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Jun 10 2005, 08:55 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Rumors has it that there was actually a bet involved betwixt Hubbard and Heinlein regarding creating wacky religions. I have no evidence that this is remotely true, but if it is it's sad that the other one didn't take hold. Could have actually done some good. ~J |
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Jun 10 2005, 09:28 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Juan Cruz and Nikki Coleman, or something? "We're so famous! We're so beautiful! I love you so much! Hubology is great!" |
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Jun 10 2005, 09:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 442 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Pennsylvania Member No.: 6,280 |
Funerals would certainly be a lot more interesting. |
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Jun 11 2005, 02:54 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
The Scientologists in SR? No. They went bankrupt after they tried to sue Dunkelzahn for making jokes about them on national trid. ;)
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Jun 11 2005, 05:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 7-December 04 Member No.: 6,873 |
L. Ron Hubbard is a fixer in my game. My players love him.
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Jun 11 2005, 10:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Detroit Member No.: 4,642 |
Farnham's Freehold is probably the Heinlein book you're thinking of if you're talking about the book with incest.
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Jun 12 2005, 04:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 18-August 03 From: North VA Member No.: 5,519 |
There was pedophilia in SiaSL? That must have blown right by me, because I can't remember anything about that... |
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Jun 12 2005, 12:51 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
How can written notes from UB development ...stuff that was given away, be a copyright infringement?
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Jun 12 2005, 12:59 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
Because the notes are basically the 'blueprints' for UB.
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Jun 12 2005, 04:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 7-December 04 Member No.: 6,873 |
Thus PM's are in order.
Or an e-mail, I am stomach the risk. |
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Jun 12 2005, 06:58 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Ephebophilia, more likely—a lot of people misuse the word "pedophilia" to apply to sexual relationships with adolescents under the age of consent. That being said, it's been too long since I read the book. ~J |
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Jun 13 2005, 12:13 AM
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that's so terrible it's making me giggle. I wouldn't be surprised if the CoS used mad amounts of psychotropic IC on their systems. "I love the CoS! Everyone come experience the wonders!" This is one of the reasons I hope IC never gets developed. |
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Jun 14 2005, 06:37 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
I don't recall Farnham's Freehold having incest. To Sail Beyond the Sunset had a brother and sister having sex. In Job: A Comedy of Justice, a man talks about his urge to have sex with his daughter, but then, the man turns out to be Satan.
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Jun 14 2005, 11:39 PM
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Harlan Ellison tells a story about the origin of Scientology. He and a bunch of other SF writers, including L. Ron Hubbard, were sitting around one night talking about how the best way to make a ton of money was to start a religion (I don't remember if he said that it was Hubbard himself that proposed this idea). Several months later, Hubbard released Dianetics and the rest is history.
I picked up a copy of Dianetics when I was a teenager and they used to advertise it on TV. This was before I really knew anything about Scientology, but the ads said that the book could change your life, so I checked it out. The book was dense and tedious, and I didn't get very far at all. But in any case, it's not a sci-fi book in the usual sense; it's not a novel, but a weird sort of self-help book that basically serves as the bible of Scientology. I've seen the current leader of the movement on TV screaming his head off over someone having said something negative about CoS. They're extremely litigious, so whatever their teachings, they obviously don't include tolerance or forgiveness. Shawn |
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Jun 14 2005, 11:49 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I honestly think Hubbard was trying to be clever. He wrote a book that made a lot of sense (Dianetics) and that could be a decent basis for a personal religion. But then to drive home the fact that he wrote it more as a joke than not, he came up with all the ridiculous stuff you find in the "secret texts." Unfortunately he died before he could smack those idiots in the so-called "Church of Scientology" upside the head for taking it seriously.
The fact that so many people have bought the "sacred texts" as truth even though it's clearly B.S. is the sad thing. Dianetics itself isn't all that bad; it's little more than a philosophy that focused on self-improvement and doing good for the sake of doing good. It's just that its formed into an organized religion full of fanatics (the fall of any good idea or belief system) is why its eye rolling-worthy. |
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Jun 15 2005, 02:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
Sounds to me like an opportunity for some wetwork... a LOT of wetwork. ;) |
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Jun 15 2005, 02:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
The word through a freind of mine was that it was a bet by L.Ron, Frank Herbert and Robert Heinlen. The bet was to see who can make the longest lasting "religion" from thier writings. He got this from one of his writer freinds who knew the inside scoop. I guess L. Ron won. ;) |
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Jun 15 2005, 03:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 18-October 04 From: Tujunga, CA Member No.: 6,768 |
Interesting views, I guess the mystery surrounding any religion breeds misunderstanding. I still want to know what’s locked up in the Vatican.
The first book was Dianetics, the idea is that the problems of the body could be handled by helping the spirit. The book has a lot of data and is a great read the problem is it’s a hard read. It’s not the stuff of magic or Aliens, but when applied properly it does seem to work and help. Over all, most people I have met whom are "on course" or going to an org are brighter, smarter people than average. They seem nice and the aim of the "church" seems to be to "Make the able, more able." Well I don't know everything, but if any one has any question I can try to answer them. |
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Jun 15 2005, 03:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 392 Joined: 18-October 04 From: Tujunga, CA Member No.: 6,768 |
also, for some more facts on the subject, check out this link.
http://faq.scientology.org/ref_6.htm |
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Jun 15 2005, 08:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 778 Joined: 6-April 05 Member No.: 7,298 |
Lots of religions/cults have positive aspects, Scientologists included. However, just because some of the teachings are valuable, it does not follow that all teachings are; just because some motives are noble, it does not follow that all motives are; just because some core beliefs make sense, it does not follow that all beliefs are justified.
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Jun 15 2005, 09:41 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
This is still in the wrong forum.
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