More Magic Questions, ...or why I can't get the magic system. Options

[CrystalBlue]

We're getting the magic system much more. Step by step, we're getting it. But now, I'm getting people to jump 'special' questions on me. Here's a good one.

"How can I make an Arcane Archer?"

Now, this is on many, many levels. At first, I told him to go adept. That's his best bet, for one, to get better archery. If he went that way, he could initiate after a time and get centering to give him something like zen archery. Now, I asked him what he ment by an arcane archer. Basically, he wants a bow that can create magical arrows to fire out of it, and also can fire normal arrows out of it if he wanted to

In game terms, I need to know how that would work. My first instinct is having him find a magical contact that can get him an enchanted bow. But here's the problem. How do I make it, how much time would it take, how much money, what level contact would it be, and how would he get it done if he had to make it?

[Bigity]

In the SR universe, there is no way to currently make ranged weapons magical, despite the cover of Shadowrun Companion.

EDIT: That is, if I remember correctly.

[mfb]

make him a magician's way adept, or even just a mage. make the bow a fetish for his combat spells. that way, he can launch fireballs, manabolts, wreck, and all sorts of fun spells from his bow.

you could anchor a spell to an arrow, i guess, and set the spell to go off when the arrow impacts something. but there's no real advantage to that.

[Talia Invierno]

Style, mfb, style :love:

There was an Archer adept in the old Earthdawn system that might suggest some possibilities. If you're willing and able to play fast and loose with the new Elemental Strike adept power, you could probably pull it off with Magic at B priority (adept); otherwise you'll need to make it a Magician's Way adept (A priority) as mfb mentions above.

[CrystalBlue]

Right. That's the exact picture my friend was looking at when he asked about this. :P

Well, how about this? How about I ancor a Powerbolt spell to the bow, so if he wanted to, he could shoot it off and use his Archery skill instead to see if it hit? Cause he doesn't want to go mage period. He'd take adept, but he doesn't want to worry about the magic part. Or maybe add some kind of elemental property to the arrow when he knocks it. Just throwing out some ideas to see if it would work.

[fionn]

One May not be able to make a Ranged Wep Focus, well ya could but thats alot of muchin stuff. Best bet is anchoring the ARROW!! Enchanting an arrow is MUCH easier than a bow. An arrow can be made from scratch with wood radicals and doesn;t really need a point on it, Just stick it in the pencil sharpener for a bit to make it more arrow-dynamic (pun intended).

Enchant the arrow as a reusable anchor focus say force 4 and there ya go. heck if you want real fun enchant it with enhanced aim, or even more fun Death Touch.

[fionn]

One May not be able to make a Ranged Wep Focus, well ya could but thats alot of muchin stuff. Best bet is anchoring the ARROW!! Enchanting an arrow is MUCH easier than a bow. An arrow can be made from scratch with wood radicals and doesn;t really need a point on it, Just stick it in the pencil sharpener for a bit to make it more arrow-dynamic (pun intended).

Enchant the arrow as a reusable anchor focus say force 4 and there ya go. heck if you want real fun enchant it with enhanced aim, or even more fun Death Touch.

[fionn]

Sorry For the dual Post, had an error in my transfer stream.

[Mugzy]

As far as I remember, anchoring a spell to an arrow is no longer possible because it requires an active focus in 3rd Ed. As soon as the focus leaves your person, it deactivates. I'm not absolutely sure on this though; you may want to check Magic in the Shadows to verify it.

I remember this tactic in previous editions though.

As far as an elemental effect, well, the elemental strike power played loosley as stated above, geased to a bow, is about as close are youre going to be able to get.

Seems your friend is thinking a bit too "D&D" or "Diablo"

As far as anchoring a spell to the bow, I suppose that is possible, but a powerbolt may not work as that is a single targeted spell without a pre-delcared target when it is cast into the anchoring focus.

Maybe this will spark someone's memory. I just dont have my books with me..

[Nikoli]

The SSG cover art doesn't help much either. Phys mage with Gaesed spells to use a Bow focus sounds best bet all around.

[fionn]

hmm Looks like the Char would have to be an iniatied physical mage to do what I was thinking. Make it an Reusable Anchoring focus, the arrows that is.

[Herald of Verjig...]

Arcane Archer: play D&D

Someone who has magic and a bow: mage with a bow

Really good with a bow and some magic: magicians way adept with a bow

Arrows that detonate into 10D6 damage fireballs when they hit: force 10 anchoring focus with a custom variant of fireball that has different staging rules. Yet, it still won't be better than just casting the fireball due to the wonderful waste of space that is the 3rd edition anchoring rules.

Arrows that seek out their target: no, but you can learn enhanced aim and enchant your bow (or your favorite toothpick) as a sustaining focus to avoid the sustaining penalty.

That's not powerful enough: neither is the level 2 archer/bard with aspirations of being an arcane archer, live with it. (this is not meant to compare starting Shadowrun PCs to level 2 D&D PCs, but to indicate that you can't always start with whatever you want, you have to work for much of it)

[fionn]

Well if he rewrote the spells they would have a MUCH lower drain cost. get the - 1 drain level for very restricted target. The problem with enchanting an arrow tho is you would want it back.
I think the archane archerer is a silly class even in 3.5 DnD it make magic a replacement for pure skill.

if you friend just wants to be a badass archerer jsut dump 4 or 5 dic einto archery and up his str a few times. a bow with high str does about as much damage as a sniper rifle. Oh and be a troll

[Talia Invierno]

Much though some of you clearly hate it, archer adepts who could do "arcane archer" type stuff existed in Earthdawn, Earthdawn is a part of the SR universe, and therefore effects possible in Earthdawn should be at least potentially possible to achieve using SR effects ... and I'm not even qualifying that with the usual "lower level of magic" argument: the Ghost Dance was supposed to have fast-forwarded the rise of magic significantly, and I'm certain later events in Aztlán didn't hurt.

If you're running a Magician's Way adept, what's to say a powerbolt couldn't take the visual and tactile form of an arrow? The only difference is the archer would be using Sorcery/spellcasting instead of Projectile Weapons/bow: but within the concept of the character each skill should be at the same rank anyway.

If you're running a straight adept, try this:

• Distance Strike or Elemental Strike
• Killing Hands M or S
• Improved Combat Skill (Unarmed)

Even though it's supposed to be unarmed combat, the effect looks like an arrow: but uses standard unarmed skill and inflicts unarmed damage.

Alternately (this one isn't strict canon, but remains true to spirit):

• Elemental Strike (in conjunction with arrow)
• Improved Combat Skill (Projectile Weapons)

Wasn't there also an Attunement metamagic that could work here?

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[prettz]

Your best bet, if the player does not want to go Magician Way, is to use the Elemental Strike and Distance Strike Powers as a base to create your own power. I mean if they can transmit unarmed attack power over distance they should be able to transmit archery power.

[Bigity]

I don't think they can sever the ED links. They can stop making references to them, but they are part of the same world just the same. There's too much already there to simple retcon the whole thing.

It will be more of a gradual, everyone forgets about them IRL kind of thing.

[Talia Invierno]

Last I heard, Laughing Man and Wordsmyth were still posting in the shadowtalk.

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[Nikoli]

ROFL, now that's a funny scene

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