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 Jul 28 2005, 02:16 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058  |
Heh... My HS was 11 stories, and I often pass by another school in Manhattan that, while not taking up a whole 20+ story building, is located in one. ;) |
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Jul 28 2005, 03:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
So back to my original question: what would be in a “regular” high school circa 2020?
The basics of course: Cafeteria Kitchen Security office Administrative offices Maintenance Office Physical Plant Teacher Lounge Library Gym Weight room Locker rooms Bathrooms Computer Lab Plus at least a couple dozen class rooms suited for forty students a piece Other Possibilities: Science Labs Electronics Labs Green house Swimming Pool Automotive Lab Anyone else think of anything else? |
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Jul 28 2005, 03:44 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Counselors office. Maybe an arboretum?
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Jul 28 2005, 04:13 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
A large initiate group could do it. The real challange is creating a masking ward that is large enough to cover the building. If one of your PCs leads his own large-scale initiate group then you can do much better than an abandoned high school. There would be the problem of thunderbirds and helicopters occasionally crashing into it, however. People will notice that. |
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Jul 28 2005, 04:14 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 |
My HS had a classroom or two dedicated to JROTC, and they had a mini target range in there for their air rifles.
don't forget the band/orchestra room, they have a backroom where you stick all the instruments in these cubbyholes. Also there is the art room, and also the chorus room. later on they built a theater to the school from what I hear is rather nice. |
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Jul 28 2005, 04:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Butte County, CA Member No.: 3,836 |
Dude! On the nutty side. Louis Sachar had a lot of cool stories back in the day (ya youngsters probably know him as the author of Holes, and those over 25 [20 here]probably have no idea who I'm talking about) about Wayside School. It was built by a guy who was supposed to build a school 30 classrooms per story, one story high. He had the plans sideways and built it one classroom per story, 30 stories high. He said he was sorry. Miss Zarves teaches class on the nineteenth story. There is no nineteenth story, the eighteenth leads directly to the twentieth. There is no Miss Zarves. He apologized for this too, her being a nice lady and all. The Superintendent got sick of all the running up and down stairs and had two elevators installed. The left one only went down and the right one only went up, just like the stairs. They both worked once. I digress :twirl: Seriously, though I may be overstating the immediacy of this, Can you imagine sitting in a classroom and having not only three of your classmates fall over goblinizing but some of your pets as well? Maybe something like that happened over Easter break and the custodian comes back only to be eaten by a newly Awakened class snake or devil rats? Cast a bad palour on that school, wot? Heh, a futuristic private high school might just have one or two chimpanzees on the grounds making an abandoned one a good home for a troup of Dour or your pick of Awakened primates :) Who also could be using the squatters for camoflauge :grinbig: |
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Jul 28 2005, 04:50 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Is it just me, or is it about the worst idea ever for a group of felons to invest a pile of cash and time into a permanent, non movable base of operations? I would think that's just asking for trouble.
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Jul 28 2005, 05:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
Them Americans build them schools pretty strange!
Typical German high school (900-1200 pupils depending on exact date) + Around 50-60 Classrooms (Class size 20-30) + 1-3 special "lab" rooms each for physics, biology, chemistry - Some lab equipment - Gas on each table for bunsen burners - Hardened (ceramic) teachers table * Sooth marks on ceiling above teachers table in chemical room * Sorchmarks on teachers table in chemical room + A gymnasium seperated from the school by about 100m (covert walkway) - Seperate locker rooms (no lockers!) and showers (around 6) for the sexes + A training field - Football field with a track, jumping installations (long and high) - Hammer / Ball throwing pad + 1-3 computer rooms - If you are lucke a single low speed (64-768KBit) line + Teachers office, principals office, teachers library, 1-3 secretarial offices +2-4 special rooms for the arts and music each [Only 2-4, we are a technical HS] - Some art / work supplies (no heavy machinery) - Lots of instruments + Media room (Film projectors etc) + School library stocking books that are loaned to pupils + Large gathering room + Some free space for taking breaks + Janitors Storage room and repair shop, maybe janitors appartment + Central heating, water supply, oil tanks (or remote heating) + Chair storage etc + At least three toilet installations plus a set in the gymnasium No swimming pools (Use a communal one), no cafeteria (maybe the janitor has a small shop to sell something) This is a two - four story building, 1960s style (Framework with few load-bearing structures, mostly outer walls and sheetrock or even wood-panel walls) Aside from one large glass front, the access was through four sets of doors, all leading into a heat-trap (so it was doors, a small room, doors), metal frame with security glass inserts. All windows where at least 1.5m above ground. ===================== Now if you want secure, take my old basic school: + Build in the 1950s from massiv slabs of sandstone (We are talking 50cm+ thickness here plus an interior insulating wall 1 cinderblock thick, more on the basement) with small, high windows + Raised cellar (because below the cellar is an air raid shelter) so the first windows are at 2m above ground + Only two access doors, again with a heat trap and actualle sprung back into the building, flanked by windows (Principals office, teachers room) + Small stairways, always ending in doors + L-formed building with only one way to cross between the parts + Massiv (double layer cinderblock) interior walls + Small gymnasium about 100m away (actually the crawlway endpoint of the bunkes emergency exit) =================== What about a former Police station? Somethink like "Fort Apache" / The Bronx Birdy |
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Jul 28 2005, 07:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
Actually watched "assault on precinct 13" last night. So the idea of a old police station had occurred to me. The only complaint I had was the lack of open space for the conjuring crowd. Other than that pretty useable. As for the arguability of a criminal team having a base of operations. Depends on what kind of game your running I guess. Will say even street gangs have bases and there alot more detectable than a shadowrun team.
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Jul 29 2005, 09:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
Don't know about the States but here in germany: + Some newer police stations have a basement garage (Think RoboCop) + Some old ones have large cellar vaults that doubled as an armory for the militia and/or rather large prisoner holding areas. They may have added walls later but those are not as thick/rugged as the original stuff and definitly not loadbearing. Old firestations (new ones are basically a garage) have already been mentionend. Old Bunkers are more for us Europeans but do you have some Victoria-Style houses in the states? Those Mansions are "solid" Maybe an old missile Silo (there have been some sold in the US IRL) or missile installation (Old Nike-Site or so, some are quite close to cities) You can always go "Old Detroid" and use an abandoned industrial complex. Again this may be a European thing but most 19th century industrial plants had at least one rugged main building with thick walls and small windows (glass = costly) And quite a few survived until today to "show the tradition". Even if this is uncommon in the US, industrial structures are quite rugged and often use massiv concrete walls / foundations to enclose large open areas. The heavier the maschinery used, the thicker the concrete. Just stay clear of the industrial waste storage tank Birdy |
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Jul 29 2005, 12:55 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Or strategically place charges on it...
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Jul 29 2005, 01:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 908 Joined: 31-March 05 From: Georgia Member No.: 7,270 |
Those books were the BEST! |
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Jul 29 2005, 02:11 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Hmm, yeah, an old ICBM silo would make a wicked place to hole up and cower for a while. Those things are deceptivly large, and in some cases have been turned into schools, houses, all sorts of interesting things.
An abandoned underground complex Also look for a tag by one of our own=p |
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Jul 29 2005, 03:00 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Lindt: First, which tag was by one of our own?
Second: Why do I have the most awesome visions of "Half-Life meets Shadowrun" while looking around that VTour? Think about it... Deep darkness, Runners with more money than sense move in, start taking over. Clean up the upper levels, drop large, drone-ended 'swimming' pipes down where there's water to suck the water out. Everything goes good for weeks, when Johnson approaches the Runners with a tasty offer. He'll pitch in big-time for the repairs and stuff, if they clean up a mere one silo, and let him store a missile in it, in the unlikely event he may need to use it. The clinch? The Missile is a nuke. The frag-up? While they're sifting stuff and cleaning the place up, they disturb The Thing from Under, some kind of tentacled eaty-beast, like the one from out of Half-Life. (Remember, the one that was also in a missle silo?) So it turns into a survival horror, running from tentacles in the dark and other... Things... That chase and try to kill them. The Runners (who survive) have to make it to the partially cleaned-up silo, fuel and program the missile, and then get the Hell out of Dodge before it goes. |
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Jul 29 2005, 03:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
Ya, missile silo's have been sold over here and turned into all sorts of things. Craziest one I ever saw was a old missile silo that was deliberately filled with water and used to teach cave diving.
Have always enjoyed shadowrun games heavy on the horror aspects, tentacled beasties running amok are always fun. However thats another thread. |
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Jul 29 2005, 03:17 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
hrmm, cave dive training facility, that gives me an idea for a run...
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Jul 29 2005, 05:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
You mean a certain gun-nut :=) That whole thing looks like an old SAM-Installation rather than an ICBM unit. One of the NIKE Systems. Birdy |
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Jul 29 2005, 06:34 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Turns out its a Titan 1 launch facility. Total of 9 ICBMs once lived in there... Its also 1 of 6 or 7 of that type of complex built.
The Titan 2 lived in much smaller blocks, and after that they where either unmanned silos, or silo fields. The Titan needed to live with people (which I find rather entertaining, that an atomic device needed to 'live' with people) because it was based on an LOX and kerosene propellent. Scary stuff. |
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Jul 29 2005, 07:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 292 Joined: 24-September 04 Member No.: 6,701 |
While not as nice as a missile silo, my char is/was in the process of turning a small farm (located in the middle of a wooded area) into her hideaway. The land gives more defensive depth than your typical apartment and more than amply opportunities to conceal a lot of firepower like bales of hay hiding machine-gun turrets, not to mention plenty of land to lay land mines and punji pits.
This idea came about when my GM had one of our hunteds ambush our team one-by-one literally in our own apartments; that is, they were able to get close enough, carrying heavy weapons, to enter the apartments unchallenged. In other words, no defensive depth between the streets/curbs where they parked to the front door. I figured that the next group that came after me, I wanted them to have to go through a decent amount of distance before they could reach me. Even if they overpowered the obstacles, I would most likely get some advanced warning. |
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Jul 29 2005, 08:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
That's something I've used before...not many people nowadays know about the old Nike missile installations along Lake Michigan in Chicago...they used to house point-defense nukes for city defense (how friggin' stupid does that sound?) but have been presumably empty and sealed for the last 30 years or so. In 60 years...they'd pretty much be completely forgotten. And then of course, there's old mining installations...some of which can be surprisingly roomy - if you've ever seen the one used for US national archives you'll know what I mean. |
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Jul 29 2005, 08:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
Ask the Ruskis, they still think nuclear-based missile defence is the way to go! It's based on the "an airburst at 20km is better than a groundburst at -20m" idea. Heck, there are nuclear tipped AA missiles (AA-4 Falcon IIRC) And it solves the problem of seperating the decoys from the real thing :=) There is a reason those MIG-25 and MIG-31 use tubes in their radars. And it's not lack of transistors... Birdy |
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