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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 263 Joined: 18-October 03 From: Cal Free State Member No.: 5,734  |
Um, yes. Yes they do. That is a news story because it is exceptional... ;) |
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Aug 3 2005, 10:00 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
That's simply not true, for a few reasons. #1: FanPro is not limited to Shadowrun; this year alone there have been 8 new titles and 3 reprints/revised titles published for Classic BattleTech [a couple of those are in transit now and will be available by the end of the month]. What's the difference there? Classic BattleTech developer Randall Bills doesn't have to deal with as much business stuff as Rob does, and he also has an assistant developer, which Rob doesn't have. #2: We've NEVER put out only two titles a year for Shadowrun -- even 2004 saw three titles published, and yes, it was was exceptionally lean due to a lot of development time being spent on large titles like Shadows of Europe [240 pages] and Shadows of Asia [232 pages] and Shadowrun Fourth Edition [352 pages, 360 in the deluxe edition] #3: "At best", we've released six books for Shadowrun in a single year, not counting reprints and revisions. Is the new release schedule optimistic? Yeah -- it's going to be hard work, and a lot of it. Onward and upward; we're ready for the challenge. |
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Aug 4 2005, 12:47 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
I thought there were five SR books put out last year.
Or maybe I just got five books last year... Hmm... |
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Aug 4 2005, 12:29 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 392 |
Yeah LRG and RBG both planned huge things for ED and they both suck monkey dick so why should we be optimistic about SR4 or any new products for it?
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Aug 4 2005, 01:29 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Judging from the descriptions I've heard from people who have taken bullets to adequate body armor, no, I don't agree with that. ~J |
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Aug 4 2005, 01:35 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Because FanPro is not LRG or RBG? |
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Aug 4 2005, 07:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 778 Joined: 6-April 05 Member No.: 7,298 |
Keep in mind that firing a weapon imparts more energy to the shooter than being hit does to the target. If body armor was as effective as a gun at distributing the energy in a pleasant way, being shot would hurt less than shooting.
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Aug 4 2005, 07:39 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: 7-February 04 From: NYC Member No.: 6,058 |
Doesn't change the reality of how much injury bullets stopped by body armor inflict. |
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Aug 4 2005, 07:58 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Though that was my initial reaction, if you reread it the statement is agreeing with us.
~J |
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Aug 4 2005, 10:52 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 15-January 03 Member No.: 3,911 |
When someone fires a weapon though, their arms can act as recoil compensation and the energy is distributed.
The bullet hitting the target focuses the same energy into a small area, though body armor could help distribute the force. Then there's shock factor. I think this really dpends on the armor and the force of the weapon. A 22 caliber weapon fired at that solider would little to no effect. A 50 calbier though will knock you on your ass causing some momentart stun from blow. I imagine the effects would wear off after a minute though. |
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Aug 5 2005, 02:42 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,784 Joined: 28-July 04 From: Cleveland, OH Member No.: 6,522 |
Seeing as how RBG hasn't released a print product yet, don't you think this is just a little bit premature? |
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Aug 5 2005, 02:53 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
No!
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Aug 5 2005, 09:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 18-April 05 From: France Member No.: 7,343 |
Same issue for a simple fist hit. The point is : the person firing or hitting will have a much wider absorption of the kinetic energy because of the adapted position, and the area of absorption is smaller for the person taking the hit. Even with a good protection a bullet will mark you with a huge bruise. In certains conditions I reckon you could be quite correct : a joe without any skill fires his gun, break his wrist, and a big guy taking the bullet on his very good protection (he is prepared), just take a bruise or nothing (depending of the caliber) |
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Aug 5 2005, 09:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 778 Joined: 6-April 05 Member No.: 7,298 |
Well, it all depends on how well the body armor temporally and spatially distributes the impact of the bullet, doesn't it? If you're taking lots of stun damage (getting lots of bad bruises), the answer is probably "not very well".
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Aug 5 2005, 11:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 18-April 05 From: France Member No.: 7,343 |
I wouldn't say that. Transforming a lot of kinetic energy concentrated in a very small area to a huge "bruise" should be considered as a real efficient protection (as the default is having a big hole in the body). By the way [EDIT replace body armor by: ] Dermal Armor is worn under the skin I think, then it is a good way to have aggravated bruises as the skin is squashed between the hit and the armor. Doesn't it make sense ? - huh man, I've been shoot, I suffer from aggravated bruises ! - Medikit, Medikit !!! :D |
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Aug 5 2005, 11:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 778 Joined: 6-April 05 Member No.: 7,298 |
"Body armor" is the name given to protective devices such as kevlar vests. Maybe in 2070 it will mean dermal sheathing or whatever, but not today.
Depending on how the armor is structured, it could dampen the impact enough so that you wouldn't be in danger of even a bruise. You'd probably need kevlar/plate/gel/plate/padding in order to do that, which would be a bit bulky. |
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Aug 5 2005, 11:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 18-April 05 From: France Member No.: 7,343 |
I have corrected my last post (body / dermal armor), thanks for pointing that out Ellery. I wich I would speak english and write it as my mother language ...
Assuming you have a regular military full body armor, I agree with you, it should avoid direct damages from any gun without APDS. The only remaining damage could be done by falling on the ground. With burst fire it could be different ... as with powerful blow |
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Aug 5 2005, 11:48 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
And then again - you might both want to consider the off-chance that the German Newsletter is actually referring to the German release schedule and that they intend to release the German versions of the rule books within a 12 month period of the German release of SR4... or that someone got the original translation wrong and it was meant to be within 12 months from the first core rules supplement to the last... |
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Aug 5 2005, 12:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 778 Joined: 6-April 05 Member No.: 7,298 |
If the German release schedule is 12 months long while the English version is 18, it means that there will be no German version of SR4 for at least six months, and the last book will be translated six months faster than SR4 (or the last will appear in German first and be translated to English, which would be fine, if a little atypical).
If the English release schedule is 18 months long but there is only 12 months from the first core rules supplement to the last, it means that the first core rules supplement isn't going to appear for at least 6 months. That would be rather disappointing, although given there will be more potential freelancers who better understand SR4 rules after SR4 is out, I guess a delay could make some sense. |
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Aug 5 2005, 12:29 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
The books will be published when they are published. No need to argue about that. Not that much difference between 12 and 18 month and they are subject to change anyway.
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Aug 5 2005, 02:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
Shadowrun 4.01D is scheduled for release at the SPIEL fair in October. |
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