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Nezumi: No, but the average 18-wheeler does not need about 85% of it's bulk to comprise gasoline.
And remember, gasoline burns, unless under high pressure. Under nearly any pressure at all, hydrogen explodes. |
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Aug 20 2005, 12:56 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Hydrogen isn't very explosive. It's mostly just very flammable, though it can form explosive mixes with air. The classic airship example, the Hindenberg, only burned vigorously - it never exploded. (And before someone says it, yes, the Hindenberg's skin was also very flammable.) Snowfox: Hydrogen has slightly more lift than helium, about 10% more. Hydrogen molecules (2 grams/mole) are half as heavy as helium (4 grams/mole) so they give slightly more lift in air (avg. 29 grams/mole). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighter-than-air |
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Aug 20 2005, 01:19 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Actually, the create spell you want is create helium-3. It's radioabtively stable, non-flammble, and weighs 75% or what normal helium weighs.
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Aug 20 2005, 04:01 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Bob, you've just given me ideas.
my gang, stop now . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite possibly these are the sorts of spells being done by corp rtesearch teams. hmmm. Beyond trying to get the right spells, maybe one corp trying to steal the reserach of another or the NAN that has the natural source trying to sabotage the research. hmmm. |
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Aug 20 2005, 05:17 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Unless NAN has terrotory on Jupiter, it doesn't have an exploitable source of Helium-3.
You can get some from unranium mines, but not in sufficient quanities. |
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Aug 20 2005, 06:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
You can collect it from the lunar surface. Solar wind deposits it there. That kind of leaves NAN out of it, but Ares might be a player.
He-3 isn't just good for zeppelins, either... it's excellent fusion fuel. |
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Aug 20 2005, 09:25 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
He-3 reactions don't produce any stray neutrons so, theoretically, it can be used to make fusion reactors that don't require an absurd ammount of radiation shielding. However, there is currently no way to prevent stray Hydrogen 2 atoms from fusing inside a He-3. UNtill someone figures out how to do that, the say when you can have a safe hot fusion reactor in your basement is still a long way off.
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Aug 20 2005, 09:40 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Perhaps they developed some way to gather He-3 built up over the millenia in the uranium deposits/mines in the Canadian shield. Sort of like the coalbed methane recovery technology developed in recent years. There are some deposits there that are too hot to mine with existing developed techniques. |
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Aug 21 2005, 02:36 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
My point was normal He, not Helium 3.
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Aug 21 2005, 01:02 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
And the fusion industry would probably pay for the trickle of He3 you could get from the moon, but I don't think you could get enough to make a large, all He3 airship feasible. |
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Aug 21 2005, 02:37 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Which is why magicians would be good and as a potentiallyt space based adventure, probes/mines of Jupiter or other outer planets? Anyone remember the movie Outland?
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Aug 21 2005, 06:48 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
I own Outland. Love it. :) Unfortunately, mages have to deal with a crippling Mana warp (8+) in most areas of space. They won't be good for much but dying or acting as mundanes in space. |
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Aug 22 2005, 09:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
I think the point was that magicians would be useful, and space mines would be useful, not necessarily in the same operation. As useful as it is to have mages fueling your resources, even their "something from nothing" take on things will be inefficient, given their relative scarcity. The big bucks are still going to be in mining things, simply due to volume concerns.
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Aug 23 2005, 10:45 AM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Hmm.. I'm not to averse to getting a group of mages and shooting them off into space so they can spout gas. Heck, I'd buy tickets to watch.
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