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> So far, SR4... in the end ? or beginning ;)
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chevalier_neon
post Aug 19 2005, 10:50 PM
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This is not to flame, not for revenge or whatever.... just to know your feeling as we have now (and it was time) more information.

By the way, once again, many thanks to Tisoz, who is on his way to become Man of the Year on DS board... :)
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post Aug 19 2005, 10:53 PM
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At the moment the only thing I'm nervous about is technomancers, everything else looks sweet.
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post Aug 19 2005, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE (Bandwidthoracle)
At the moment the only thing I'm nervous about is technomancers, everything else looks sweet.

I agree. If it only costs 5 BP to be one, I can't imagine anyone choosing a non-magical character not being a Technomancer. Seems too good to be true.
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post Aug 19 2005, 10:55 PM
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Who would have the kindness to create new threads to summarize all the information that Tisoz provided us, instead of having them in 3 or 4 different threads ? It might be great also to divide the topics in fact (chargen, magician, technomancer, cyber)... I would have done that myself, but I am quiet busy on our french forum to translate and post the information that are on DS...
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post Aug 19 2005, 10:58 PM
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A huge number of questions openned up with that info. I can't really answer now till i get a better look. I'm going to have to keep the vote on the fence for a bit yet.

Near the top of the list of questions are Technomancers. It seems more than a bit wierd, but then i just noticed something on the Combat Mage that actually could help explain it. I'm not certain that a mundane even needs 'ware to hack, they might be able to do it with 'trodes alone. If that is true not requiring 'ware for Technomancers sort of makes sense, at least when they are hacking wireless equipment.
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post Aug 19 2005, 11:01 PM
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or maybe, they generate signals with brain radios.
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post Aug 19 2005, 11:03 PM
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or maybe, they generate signals with brain radios.

So they all wear tinfoil hats when they don't want to broadcast?
Don't make me come in there :rotfl:
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post Aug 19 2005, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE (Samoth)
imagine anyone choosing a non-magical character not being a Technomancer. Seems too good to be true.

Oh, role playing reasons, maybe? Since it appears that not everyone in 2070 is a technomancer, or even more so, most people aren't?

Derek
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QUOTE (blakkie)
A huge number of questions openned up with that info. I can't really answer now till i get a better look. I'm going to have to keep the vote on the fence for a bit yet.

Near the top of the list of questions are Technomancers. It seems more than a bit wierd, but then i just noticed something on the Combat Mage that actually could help explain it. I'm not certain that a mundane even needs 'ware to hack, they might be able to do it with 'trodes alone. If that is true not requiring 'ware for Technomancers sort of makes sense, at least when they are hacking wireless equipment.

See, I still think some hardcore people would want their wireless equipment implanted. Say someone who was so amazingly good at it they had "unnatural" skill?
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post Aug 19 2005, 11:06 PM
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I was thinking to something about Technomancers...
Of course, the BP is ridiculously low, but on the other hand, it might be really expensive (Skills, sprites etc.) to be a technomancer.. on the other hand, there might be some cons (remember, otaku shouldn't be able to pass the age of 18 with all their pros)... SO in the end, one of the main pro of being a Technomancer might just be the fact that you don't need any cyber... which in the end is not such a big pro if hacker can still do their "work" using wireless equipment... And if they can have less BP to invest in matrice-skills (no sprites etc...).
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post Aug 19 2005, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE (Derek @ Aug 19 2005, 06:05 PM)
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imagine anyone choosing a non-magical character not being a Technomancer.  Seems too good to be true.

Oh, role playing reasons, maybe? Since it appears that not everyone in 2070 is a technomancer, or even more so, most people aren't?

Derek

Maybe their frail or socially inept like otkau, and that makes up for them being cheap?
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Technomancers have to buy Resonance attribute, remember (the 5 BP is just the Quality that allows them to do so).
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That is a good point, but if the dev really focused this edition on technology, they might in the end prove as powerful as magicians, not only in the matrice, but in the real world... And this would have costed only 5BP... this is why I hope that there are some restrictions...
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post Aug 19 2005, 11:24 PM
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Also we know that Technomancers experience drain (except it is called Fading and not Drain).
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Yep. Age no longer causes fading, or so it seems.
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post Aug 19 2005, 11:25 PM
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Technomancers have to buy Resonance attribute, remember (the 5 BP is just the Quality that allows them to do so).

Do they get the first point free with that? If not it is basically the same price as a mage since the first point would cost them the 10BP for a total of 15BP.
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That's because they *are* different. :)

Sorry if I can help you more with that. I don't have my playtesting notes at hand, and I don't feel comfortable giving you second hand information when Tisoz and the others at GenCon are posting good information.
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post Aug 19 2005, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE (blakkie)
QUOTE (JongWK @ Aug 19 2005, 05:17 PM)
Technomancers have to buy Resonance attribute, remember (the 5 BP is just the Quality that allows them to do so).

Do they get the first point free with that? If not it is basically the same price as a mage since the first point would cost them the 10BP for a total of 15BP.

Buy the Technomancer Quality and start with Resonance attribute of 1. It goes down with loss of essence just like magic attribute.
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post Aug 19 2005, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE (tisoz)
QUOTE (blakkie @ Aug 19 2005, 05:25 PM)
QUOTE (JongWK @ Aug 19 2005, 05:17 PM)
Technomancers have to buy Resonance attribute, remember (the 5 BP is just the Quality that allows them to do so).

Do they get the first point free with that? If not it is basically the same price as a mage since the first point would cost them the 10BP for a total of 15BP.

Buy the Technomancer Quality and start with Resonance attribute of 1. It goes down with loss of essence just like magic attribute.

So what helps Otaku hurts grown up Otaku? That's why they all faded?
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So what helps Otaku hurts grown up Otaku? That's why they all faded?


It helps to consider them seperate, but related, creatures. Not all otaku became technomancers and not all technomancers were otaku.
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So what helps Otaku hurts grown up Otaku? That's why they all faded?


It helps to consider them seperate, but related, creatures. Not all otaku became technomancers and not all technomancers were otaku.

Is that for sure? Because the description we got was "Otaku who grew up"
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Some did. Others didn't.

*wishes System Failure was already out*
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Where did that description come from? I do know for sure that not all technomancers are otaku that grew up.
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post Aug 20 2005, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE (Demonseed Elite)
Where did that description come from? I do know for sure that not all technomancers are otaku that grew up.

If I call correctly it was the discritpion given in one of the first previews given by the German site.
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post Aug 20 2005, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE (Bandwidthoracle)
QUOTE (Demonseed Elite @ Aug 19 2005, 07:22 PM)
Where did that description come from?  I do know for sure that not all technomancers are otaku that grew up.

If I call correctly it was the discritpion given in one of the first previews given by the German site.

Could be a translation issue then?
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