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> Place you´re bets, monday through friday, when is the pdf?
nezumi
post Aug 22 2005, 02:17 PM
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I was going to say Monday, then looked at the calendar. I guess I'm just an optimist like that.

Gooooo Adam!
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post Aug 22 2005, 04:06 PM
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*Waving the pompons*
Rah Rah Adam. Gooo!
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post Aug 22 2005, 04:29 PM
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My money's on Tuesday, August 30.

[edit] That's for when it'll be available for download, not for when Adam will be done with it.
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post Aug 22 2005, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (Adam)
Am I allowed to play this game?

I suspect Friday. I'm officially taking Monday-Wednesday as actual vacation vacation, since I spent so much time pre-GenCon working on my vacation. Once I'm home -- and have access to a computer much beefier than my laptop -- the PDF is top priority.

Knock yourself out. I estimated only a 2 day unofficial vacation.

Sorry I missed you at the con. To clarify, Adam was not a person I was upset with or had an issue with their attitude. And as I may not have emphasized, even those I did have an issue with had changed by Sunday. Maybe they finally knew what was going to be reality and what had been just hopes and promises.
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post Aug 22 2005, 06:57 PM
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You'd be amazed how many native speakers make that mistake. I truly dispair sometimes.

I guess every nation (or better every language) has native speakers / writers of that kind :D
And their numbers usually seem to increase with each and every day ... which in turn leads to even more despair among those who value good orthography ...

And actually it is "despair" rather than "dispair" - I think.
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post Aug 22 2005, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (El Ojitos @ Aug 22 2005, 12:57 PM)
QUOTE (Cochise)
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You'd be amazed how many native speakers make that mistake. I truly dispair sometimes.

I guess every nation (or better every language) has native speakers / writers of that kind :D
And their numbers usually seem to increase with each and every day ... which in turn leads to even more despair among those who value good orthography ...

And actually it is "despair" rather than "dispair" - I think.

That underlines something about message boards. They are usually at a casual conversation level. Just because i know the correct way to use "their" and "there" and "they're" does not mean i don't accidentally type the incorrect one from time to time.

EDIT: Perhaps even slipping in a double negative from time to time. ;)
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post Aug 22 2005, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (El Ojitos)
QUOTE (Cochise)
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You'd be amazed how many native speakers make that mistake. I truly dispair sometimes.

I guess every nation (or better every language) has native speakers / writers of that kind :D
And their numbers usually seem to increase with each and every day ... which in turn leads to even more despair among those who value good orthography ...

And actually it is "despair" rather than "dispair" - I think.

Dis Pair, Dat Pair. What's the difference?
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post Aug 22 2005, 07:08 PM
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Dis Pair, Dat Pair. What's the difference?

And actually I think it is "da d'frence" rather than 'the difference"
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post Aug 22 2005, 09:25 PM
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Well last week would have been nice as I had the week of...

Playing a bet Id say next week, maybe early next week.

Adam is still "only" human, no pun intended.

We should sponsor him a sleep regulator though...

Does Adam have a pay pall account? Because, I'd consider putting a few dollars in the "sleep regulator" fund, after all the stuff he does
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post Aug 22 2005, 10:30 PM
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If it helps bringing the PDF to us faster I'm with you
@Adam: How much for a release in the next 24 hours? We could make a collection and I'm in with 10-15 :nuyen: (currency is negotiable of course) ;)
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post Aug 22 2005, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (tirsales)
If it helps bringing the PDF to us faster I'm with you
@Adam: How much for a release in the next 24 hours? We could make a collection and I'm in with 10-15 :nuyen: (currency is negotiable of course) ;)

Aww, I don't want to buy him off, he allready has done a ton (Atlhough your idea isn't bad either)
I'd throw in some ¥ (And some real world money too!)
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post Aug 22 2005, 11:12 PM
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I dont mind giving some money to the developers and Adam for the work already done to SR4 - if they dont mind and send me a paypal account (which was your previous suggestion if I did understand you correctly)
I also dont mind giving some money so the PDF would be released earlier - so perhaps we should get together and make 2 collections ;-)
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post Aug 22 2005, 11:15 PM
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People: it's a business. You "donate" for work done by buying copies. I could see donating to Adam, but if you want to thank the devs for SR4 buy a few extra copies and give them to friends.

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post Aug 22 2005, 11:23 PM
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Even with a business, there are such things as "Tip jars". It's not unreasonable to offer to "buy the devs a beer."
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post Aug 22 2005, 11:31 PM
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Even in a business ... Ever heard of a bonus for a job well done?
And tipping like in
QUOTE ("the_dunner")
buy the devs a beer
as I don't have any chances of meetings the devs in the near future - I am asking where I can transfer that beer to (metaphorically)
(btw: I would gladly buy some copies - if anybody would give me the possibility.)

And if it helps - think of the money as coffee-money so they can work longer. Good for FanPro, good for Paypal (or whatever medium) good for the player, good for the developers and Adam, so ... be happy :-)
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post Aug 23 2005, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE (the_dunner)
Even with a business, there are such things as "Tip jars". It's not unreasonable to offer to "buy the devs a beer."

Unless the devs/Adam have a sudden urge to go to a town in the middle of nowhere likewise I would not be able to meet them, but yes if they had a paypall "tip jar" I would tip
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post Aug 23 2005, 12:40 PM
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Maybe they could use the tips to bribe a printer into delivering their product on time for once...Hmmmm, thats not a bad idea.
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post Aug 23 2005, 01:07 PM
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Maybe they could use the tips to bribe a printer into delivering their product on time for once...Hmmmm, thats not a bad idea.

:rotfl:
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post Aug 23 2005, 01:17 PM
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Or spend it on research to find a printer that can deliver on time and on budget for a change.
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post Aug 24 2005, 01:36 AM
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My vote.... is whatever day Adam finishes it, and is satisfied with it.

I don't know what program the book is done in (inDesign or Quark)... but the biggest headache with creating a pdf is all the hyperlinks and the thumbnail index (with hyperlinks)..... once you have the book ready for publication, you have to add all the links, both from the front (Table of Contents), back (index), and all the hyperlinks within (i.e. see table 55 on page 312).

Then you export to PDF (and on a 400+ page book, with artwork) that takes quite a while....

And then you have to literally hand test every.... last.... freaking.... link to make sure they all work properly, and take you where they're supposed to.

Then you get to do it all over again with the ones that don't work....

Spend butt-load of time re-exporting to PDF....

and re-test all the links again.

So if it's ready by Friday August 26, or September 2nd... or Sept. 9..... I don't really care. As long as it all works.

I'm looking forward to it either way. 8)
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post Aug 24 2005, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE ("ShadowGhost")
but the biggest headache with creating a pdf is all the hyperlinks and the thumbnail index (with hyperlinks)..... once you have the book ready for publication, you have to add all the links, both from the front (Table of Contents), back (index), and all the hyperlinks within (i.e. see table 55 on page 312).
Yeah, with a considerably good program (and both mentioned are at least expensive) you can add those links either automatically or while you are typing the rest of the book.
I haven't worked with any of those - but with LaTeX or the other programs I have used so far neither the TOC nor the index nor anylinks else had been anything to worry about...
QUOTE ("ShadowGhost")
Then you export to PDF (and on a 400+ page book, with artwork) that takes quite a while....
:eek:
??? Shouldn't take that long ... Of course, we're perhaps speaking of hours but, on the other hand, computers are not *that* expensive and you should be able to at least hold those images and parts of the book in memory or swap or hdd or whatever cache you are using ...
As for testing links: Use a reasonable program which could be testing it for you - and as far as I know link-testers are available for download.
As far as I know the hardest work is getting the layout from whatever format to A4 - but I'm just guessing.
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