 Shadowrun 4 Errata, Post errors you've noticed here, please |
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 Oct 8 2005, 04:43 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000  Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951  |
In fact, it is... thats a thing more basic than higher grades - in fact, higher grades require such a rule if they are unavailable on chargen... |
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Oct 8 2005, 05:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,569 |
It explicitly states that higher grades are unavailable at chargen. Page 84, second column, third paragraph. Calypso |
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Oct 8 2005, 05:46 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Known. :)
That makes the inability of upgrading very... ungood. |
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Oct 8 2005, 09:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 135 Joined: 30-July 04 From: Orebro, Sweden Member No.: 6,523 |
Wich one is Correct regarding Spurs.. The one on the weapon summary on 149 in the combat section, OR the listing in Cyberware section on pg 337 ?
Its regarding the reach.. combat says 0, Cyber says 1.. |
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Oct 12 2005, 11:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 4-September 05 From: Metaplane GEPLK136 (The one with the lizards. You remember the lizards, don't you?) Member No.: 7,684 |
This confused me as well -- especially since even the places it is "sort of" honored it is technically wrong. An example would be a skill of 1 with a specialization (seems common in the sample characters). Since the modified skill caps imply we round down (by saying a character with "aptitude" has a maximum of 10), a skill at rating 1 should not be able to get any specialization dice. At least, that would appear to be the case because I haven't seen any text indicating that a modifier of +1 is always allowed. Yet, the sample characters show skills at 1(2). Personally, I just assume round up, with a maximum modified skill of 10, but that's probably inconsistent with attributes. But it would make all the 1(2)'s and 3(5)'s non-issues. |
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Oct 13 2005, 01:10 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 11-October 05 Member No.: 7,831 |
this may belong here:
Flechettes now increase armor by two, and increase damage by two. If I put flechettes in a gun that normally has -1 AP, is the total modifier +1 AP? if so, why does the remmington roomsweeper have a damage code of 5P -1 / 7P(f) +2? |
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Oct 13 2005, 01:22 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 11-October 05 Member No.: 7,831 |
i prefer to read it that specializations are modifying the base skill, under specific circumstances. you're not applying a modifier to the base, you have actually trained to be better at the skill under the circumstances of your specialization. thus, nothing is in error, and its just in need of clarification. |
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Oct 14 2005, 03:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 598 Joined: 12-October 05 Member No.: 7,835 |
I could compile a long list of errata (as some of you have done). Sorting them out in a forum thread would be very tedious for players and designers. This is because people are going off on wild tangets and repeating the same things over and over.
I will instead give you the best help I can: You need a Shadowrun 4E Errata Wiki! That way they will be concisely listed in order. The discussion page of the wiki would discuss rule clarifications and the merits of the things listed. With work, the book could be error-free in short order! |
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Oct 14 2005, 10:59 AM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
This seems to be a leftover - Pilot is Software simply replacing System, with nothing more required than Response. |
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Oct 17 2005, 01:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 4-September 05 From: Metaplane GEPLK136 (The one with the lizards. You remember the lizards, don't you?) Member No.: 7,684 |
I agree, that would probably be a very good way to both work on them and display them. Anyone willing to set one up? |
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Oct 17 2005, 02:13 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
An update to the errata on the official website is planned for the near future and yes, the second printing of SR4 will integrate all that was available at the time it went to press.
The errata will definitely include a clarification on the Skill / Specialization issue. For those who can't wait though: the errata will likely say something to the effect that there was a mixup regarding the notation, and that when a Specialization comes into play the 2 dice are actually Pool Modifiers (rather than an Augmented Skill Rating) and hence do not count towards the Augmented Skill cap. For the official version you'll have to wait a little while longer. |
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Oct 17 2005, 02:18 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Damn - no healing 8 Boxes with FA (CW). :grinbig:
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Oct 17 2005, 04:38 PM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
So, other than adept powers, what *does* count toward the augmented skill cap?
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Oct 17 2005, 04:54 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
The answer is that any and all enhancements, abilities and powers (present and future) that modify the Skill Rating contribute to the Augmented Skill Rating.
However, currently that pretty much just means Improved Ability (I am away from my book and may be missing something minor). I checked through the list of potential Skill Rating modifiers posted by DireRadiant (which included Analyze Device, the Control Rig, Enhanced Articulation, Synthacardium, Tailored Pheromones and Reflex recorder) and all the others are clearly noted as being dice pool modifiers in the book. |
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Oct 17 2005, 06:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 27-May 04 Member No.: 6,361 |
I had hoped that combat sense didn't contribute towards your reaction limit... that how it seems to be stated... but I just don't know anymore... :wobble: :spin: :rotate:
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Oct 20 2005, 05:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 598 Joined: 12-October 05 Member No.: 7,835 |
Look what I found!
Errata - Wikibooks http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Errata The Errata wikibook is a repository for listing perceived errors in printed works. Since errors differ between editions, the Errata wikibook is organized according to ISBNs, which change with editions. To look up an errata list for a particular book when you have the ISBN, try searching for the article en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Errata/ISBN. Do not include any dashes in the ISBN, only numerals and the possible trailing capital X. Every Errata article will include the title of the work, so that you can also just do an article search for a particular title to see which editions have an errata list available. What do you think? Should I go ahead and fire this puppy up or should I let one of you do the honors? |
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Oct 20 2005, 01:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 25-March 05 Member No.: 7,235 |
Heh, except even that one specifically says:
Oh, and just before that:
Now why would they limit this power to providing additional dice equal to 1*base skill rating if the Augmented limits forbade you from ever adding more than .5*base skill rating (for a total of 1.5*base skill rating)? |
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Oct 20 2005, 04:18 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
That doesn't nessasarily mean that it doesn't increase the "modified rating", because "rating" alone as used on page 106 means "base rating" as it is called on page 109.
Which is likely a second, almost entirely reduntand limit that is a copy-paste from SR3 (where it was put in because of a lack of a general augmented Skill cap). |
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Oct 22 2005, 12:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 1-July 02 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,921 |
I didn't see this anywhere on the errata thread, and didn't feel like searching through the California-related posts, so... Page 42:
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Los Angeles was annexed by the Pueblo Corporate Council. Even the map at the back of the book reflects that fact. Pedantic as always, KosherPickle |
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Oct 22 2005, 08:58 PM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
And before that Calfree had gone on a gigantic statewide bender and kicked LA out of the state, in order to deal with a small group of hackers within the city, so it's doubly incorrect. This act was not unlike the giant countrywide bender that, years before, prompted the US to eject California, which contributed about 1/3 of the nation's total GNP by that point, which then put it on a bad enough economic footing to conceivedly merge with Canada rather than just annexing the place.
Though I perfer to see this "typo" as a portent of things to come. :D |
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Oct 23 2005, 07:36 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Considering that the entire population of the PCC with Los Angeles is less than the populaion of Los Angeles all by itself, I prefer to think that the typographical error is the Map rather than the location of Horizon.
-Frank |
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Oct 23 2005, 04:39 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 5-May 03 From: On the Locus, San Antonio, TX Member No.: 4,538 |
The circumference of the earth is 40,000 km. These two statements therefore contradict each other since if the first is true the magician would be travelling 40000 km/hour (about 30-35 kilometers per Combat Turn) and if the second is true, the magician would need about 6-7 hours to circle the globe. |
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Oct 23 2005, 04:55 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
i dont have access to the book, but i would imagine that there is a difference between tactical movement, and "normal" movement. The first quote may be referring to "normal" movement, but when you have to be making tactical movement (in a combat turn) then you DO slow down... but are still moving incrediablly fast.
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Oct 23 2005, 05:20 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 5-May 03 From: On the Locus, San Antonio, TX Member No.: 4,538 |
The above quote is referring to the fast movement mode. Here's the quote discussing "tactical" movement, which is right above the second quote I made above.
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Oct 24 2005, 03:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 199 Joined: 11-September 05 Member No.: 7,729 |
On p. 321, the software table in the gear section, Autosofts are tagged with a note that appears to limit them to ratings 1-4 though they're listed under the same split-pricing scheme of all the other softs that go up to six. All of the other softs that have maximum ratings lower than 6 have one pricing scheme. Which, admittedly, would make the parenthetical note necessary where it is. But nowhere else in the book does it make mention of a maximum rating for Autosofts, either on the original software cost table on p. 228 or in the text section on Autosofts starting at p. 239. Whether it's an omission from the earlier sections or a mistake in the gear section could probaby stand to be cleared up.
Additionally, on the hardware/software build table, there are no limits mentioned for the maximum rating for any of the projects listed. Which seems to mean that, though you can't buy hardware or software higher than rating 6 (however, the Signal table on p. 212 shows that, technically, you can get that up to r9), you could, for instance, build a Signal upgrade capable of broadcasting to Saturn in a month or three. |
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