Turn to Goo question Options

[Thistlewaite]

The line "Non-living material - including clothing, gear, and cyberware - is not affected" really bothers me. This would imply that if you turned someone with cyberware to goo that all their cyberware would be laying on the ground to be taken and that when the mage stopped sustaining the spell the victim would return to normal sans cyberware.

Is that a correct literal interpretation?

Spell text:
Turn to Goo transforms living tissue into a sticky, glue-like substance. The caster must win an Opposed Test pitting her Magic + Spellcasting against the target's Body ( + Counterspelling ). Additionally, the spell's force must equal or exceed the target's Body. Non-living material - including clothing, gear, and cyberware - is not affected. The target is not conscious while under the effects of this spell, and any damage suffered by the gooey form affects the target normally. The goo has a barrier Armor rating equal to Body + net hits ( see Barriers, p. 157 ).

[hahnsoo]

Yup. It's a nasty, nasty spell. Although, I imagine it doesn't turn you into a small puddle, but rather a gelatinous blob approximately the size and mass of the previous form. If you wanted to get to the Cyberware, you'd have to "penetrate" the blob, which would involve doing damage to the Barrier/Structure Rating.

[tisoz]

Stealing the cyberware was the big use for the spell. Now you at least need to overcome the barrier rating to get it loose.

[Crusher Bob]

Is the spell sustained? Does the effect start instantly? Does the effect end instantly once the sustaining is over?

Do you only need one net success to turn someone into goo?

[tisoz]

[Crusher Bob]

Sigh, this is sounding bad, you don't even need to drop that wandering guard with a stun bolt anymore, just cast a force 4ish turn to goo, then stab him a few times with a knife. As the spell requires a relatively low force and only 1 net success to produce instant incapacitation (compared to the force 7+ stun bolt you'd need to throw instead)

The requirement for instant incapacitation is usually linked to not being able to get the alarm out and not being able to retaliate, trun to goo covers both of these.

[Nerbert]

[Kagetenshi]

Congratulations, you just predicted.

(Well, strictly speaking you didn't, but you've got all the information you need to do so. For example, with your six-die caster versus a three-die resister, one in ten times you can expect more successes than they can get resisting. The rest is a bit more than I want to do right now (very tired), but simple and reliable)

~J

[maeel]

I actually have to admit that i still prefer petrify..

it is almost the same, only that you add body to spellforce for barrier rating.
however, instead of cutting yourself through jelly to get the precious cyberware, you simply cast create water right above your victims head. Collect the stuff rinse it in a shower, drop the spell and you got extremly clean, almost ready to implant used cyberware..... :vegm:

[SirBedevere]

maeel, you are a sick, twisted, warped individual. Why didn't I think of that? :S

[Jrayjoker]

So petrify turns you inot Lot's Wife? That would be a better name for the spell. Pillar of Salt.

[blakkie]

Is someone that is turned to Goo still concious? Could they still cast spells or use headware such as to make a call on a headphone?

Or better yet, could a transhuman with a full skull/torso/4-limb conversion just ignore the spell and beat you to a bloody smear?

[hobgoblin]

[hahnsoo]

[maeel]

the desrciption in SR3 states that the target is turned into calcium carbonate, which is water soluble, sure not very well, but good enough that your body washes away like chalk from the board.

ok, ok, not that good, but it works, if the GM is willing.

once the spell design rules are out, i am gonna create my own spell...

Liquify...... :evil:

[maeel]

not to mention the area spell..... messify :D

[hahnsoo]

[Dashifen]

Concentrated Acid on the other hand .... I had a team with a mage/shaman combo that would petrify followed by a toxic wave. Couldn't really stop them much with that one. Luckily the drain for toxic wave usually kicked in eventually and put the shaman out of comission for a little while.

[maeel]

actually one could create a sustained acidstream.... the drain would be + 1 power stronger than the original, and at damage level L....

how is petrify described in SR4 btw?

[hobgoblin]

[maeel]

does that spell already exist in SR3? i've never seen it.....

[hobgoblin]

nah, and for good reason. i dont think you can make a damagedealing spell sustainable...

it was just my idea of a name for that kind of spell :P

[Nikoli]

Calcium Carbonate, you need vinegar to be rid of it fast, or CLR.

[Darkness]

[maeel]

well in sr3 combat spell couldn' have the sustain option, but manipulation spells could.

Anyway the only difference i see so far between petrify and TtG is the barrier rating.

Liquify and messify.....

and the more enemies come, the richer you get ..... :ork