I can't believe this!, Cheaters and AIs Options

[Sabosect]

Kage, trust me: It's less of a headache with those two if you simply assume "soap opera" and follow it with something mind-altering.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Sabosect, that's as may be, but I'd rather have a diagram. It looks interesting.

[Herald of Verjig...]

[ShadowDragon8685]

Nice diagram. :)

[Kagetenshi]

:D

I got that part, though. It was what exactly the GM did wrong that was confusing me—I think I've got an idea, but I like to make sure I understand the plots to my soaps.

*Munches popcorn*

~J

[Sabosect]

Nope. Nothing important.

Now, hold on while I examine your post to figure out how you did that.

Edit: What did the GM do wrong? He approved the weighted die, then acted like he didn't, causing one player to get in trouble for cheating.

[Herald of Verjig...]

The "code" button up at the top has more consistant formatting than open text. However, it took about a dozen edits after posting to actually get the lines to line up. Just remember to close your tabs.

[Jrayjoker]

[ShadowDragon8685]

Wait wait wait, WHAT?....

*eyetwitch.*

The rigged die was approved... Then backstabbed...

*eyetwitch.*

Are you fuckers playing Shadowrun, or LARPing as Shadowrunners playing Shadowrun?

[Kagetenshi]

[Sabosect]

And thus, the reason why the one who approved the die was asked to leave. We're trying to play Shadowrun. Most of the group is trying to play Shadowrun as a way to relax from their lives. The one who left seems to have forgotten we prefer certain aspects to stay in game.

[Velocity]

[hyzmarca]

[ShadowDragon8685]

Hmmmmmm. What's the TN for a called shot to wedge your foot up to the ankle in someone's ass? Do you get a bonus - to the shot if you're wearing point-tipped shoes?

[Sabosect]

I dunno. Does burning him in effigy while he's still there count as violent enough? At first, I almost forgot the "in effigy" part.

[ShadowDragon8685]

I think you're all over-angsting. The player should be pardoned for doing what he thought was a DM-sanctioned action. The other DM should be advised to leave and not come back. The AI should stand, the lightning storm should be retconn'd to have only deal an M wound, but also filled up his Stun, so it looked like he was dead, but he's not.

[blakkie]

[Wounded Ronin]

And to think that this all was kicked off because someone wanted to build an AI without being a gigantic megacorporation with billions of nuyen.

See, this is why when playing RPGs you should never do extremely wacky, powerful, and self-aggrandizing things. All it does is totally derail the game and make everyone extremely annoyed.

[Sabosect]

Pretty much, that's what we're doing. Except, we did do an effigy burning. I think it was more a response to the WTF?!? factor of it all. Well, that and it gave the group pyros an excuse to build a massive bonfire.

Tis a good thing we don't shred character sheets. As it stands, though, the group has an opening. And, the newbie member is currently waffling over membership because of this mess.

Oh, we also made a few phone calls to local groups and certain gaming stores. That GM won't be playing in our area for awhile.

[ShadowDragon8685]

I'd reccomend a sound beating with 7-foot-long gelatinious dildos.

Failing/in addition to that... Well, a bonfire effigy burning is as good as anything.

[blakkie]

[Wounded Ronin]

What was his damn problem, anyway? As a GM, even the idea of the players building an AI construct on their own makes me scream "NO!!!" on principle. Quite simply, you *do not* want your entire game getting wrapped around something so powerful it derails the whole game world which the players simply shouldn't be able to create since they're not Renraku. What kind of twisted, evil GM would even condone, and then cheat towards, that outcome?

After all, what would be the point of gaming afterwards, if you didn't destroy or somehow take away the AI? There'd be no more challenge, or danger. It'd be like the Icarus ending to Deus Ex, where your giant supercomputer pwns the whole world and JC Denton beats you down with the collapsable baton and throws your body off a building if you don't comply. You'd have to end the campaign at that point, since there'd just be nothing left to do in-game after you got the AI and had it molest the worldwide Matrix system.

I mean, trying to get the AI thing to happen is worse than letting someone play a fox shapeshifter with anime eyes, a high pitched voice, and gonzo boobs.

Man, this stupid GM almost deserves 30 consecutive really hard thai kicks to the thigh.

[hyzmarca]

[SFEley]

Huh.

I was in the process of writing up a long post about the probability of rolling a 203 on a Shadowrun test even with loaded six-siders. (Conclusion: it's still very very improbable, unless the cheater was using practiced throws or sleight-of-hand in addition, which would imply long practice and chronic cheating, not just goofing off on a single outlandish test.)

Then I went to lunch before I finished, and I figured I'd best catch up to this thread before I hit the 'Post' button. Glad I did. If the GM is collaborating with the cheater, then all bets are off.

Thanks, though, for posting this. And making most of us feel better about our gaming groups. >8-> Hope yours becomes reasonable again soon.

[blakkie]

I was wondering about that. That's some damn serious weighting. Even if all the dice he started out tossing were weighted. Throwing 30+ straight 6's on any one of them is insane. If they were all weighted and weighted that much the first toss should have been mostly if not all 6's.