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 Aug 25 2005, 04:40 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042  |
So when is it going to be available?
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Aug 25 2005, 04:46 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
No earlier than tomorrow, and probably not until next week.
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Aug 25 2005, 04:48 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Are we there yet?
It'll be done when it is done. Adam is likely working on at this very momment. At least he damn well better be. ;) He was hoping to finish it sometime tomorrow, but sometimes crap happens. How long it takes for the online stores to get a finished PDF up for sale i don't know. |
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Aug 25 2005, 04:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567 |
Adam estimated tomorow in the guess thread so who knows. I'm not getting my hopes up, already been disapointed once by his claims.
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Aug 25 2005, 05:01 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,950 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Like we need a third thread discussing this.
Zen Shooter 01, you are a firk ding blast fraggin' hoop head in need of an asshat!!! (Now you flame me.) (maybe that'll get the thread locked?) |
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Aug 25 2005, 05:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042 |
Sorry for the repetition, but I didn't see any thread titled SR4 PDF, so.
I was raised in an isolated rural area of America, where they still believe, quaintly, that when somebody tells you they will do something by a certain time, they mean it, and they deliver. Especially when they choose their own delivery date. I don't fit in very well with this newfangled modern world where the customers ask, When will it be available? And the company answers, "March 9th, 1562," and we all smile and nod our heads. |
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Aug 25 2005, 05:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 338 Joined: 17-September 04 From: Pueblo Sector of Denver Member No.: 6,672 |
Crossing fingers for friday...we are suppose to start our campaign on friday
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Aug 25 2005, 05:30 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
I could always be on time too if i padded my schedule enough. However in the big, bad city this is not always allowed. :S That said if it is going to be tight it should be stated up front that it is an attempt.....which is what Adam did......this time (likely after he learned from last time). |
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Aug 25 2005, 05:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567 |
:P In the big bad city, if you miss your deadline you don't get to take vacation. So don't go on about that padding stuff. You should build enough time into your schedule to account for a bit of the unforseable. NOTE: This is not a shot at adam in particular, meerly commenting on blakkie's statement. Adam's working hard and I realize this, and apreciate his efforts. |
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Aug 25 2005, 05:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 675 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 2,034 |
It would be wierd if the pdf were available before the printed book is in stores.
Seems like it would canabilize print sales, which would make the retailers & distributors & possibly fanpro (depending on which form gets them more money, and how many double sales they think they can get) less money... but then rpg publishing might not have the level of orginization to even think about covering such possibilities. For game software the retail distributors often have an exclusive for months before electronic sales are allowed. |
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Aug 25 2005, 05:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 27-January 03 From: Kentucky, USA Member No.: 3,958 |
Zen, I grew up in a similar area. I also learned that sometimes, despite telling folks you'll have it by a certain time, you can't. In which case, you can hem 'n haw and make excuses... or you can say, "Look, I'm sorry, but it's going to be late. I'll do my best to get it out ASAP, but I want to do it right instead of giving you half a product."
Y'know what? Adam went with the latter. He's going to give us our product with the quality he promised, and he apologized for being late. Now, you can be mad. You can take your money elsewhere. But, you don't have to "smile and nod [your] head," as you put it. It just doesn't do any good to stomp your feet about it. Say you're not happy, but there's no need to come off as if you were personally treated badly. |
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Aug 25 2005, 05:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 18-August 05 Member No.: 7,567 |
I don't think the PDF will canabalize sales realy. Flipping through a pdf is alot slower than say flipping open a book to a certain page. And its alot easeir to skim through the actual book not to mention pass it around if you want to show someone something. I for one will get both because of the advantages of both.
I'll agree with that to a point. The consumer, the fans, were not told it was going to be late, we were not informed there were problems, untill the day after. The dumpshock forums is not the entire community, nor is it even a majority of it. I know plenty of people I play with now and have in the past who don't come here. I'm here because someone on drivethru said that adam was posting her about the state of the pdf. |
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Aug 25 2005, 05:52 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
AKA padding the schedule. 8) |
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Aug 25 2005, 06:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 376 Joined: 14-July 03 Member No.: 4,928 |
Actually he's going with the former, that being "I want to do it right" The latter would be "giving you half a product." |
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Aug 25 2005, 06:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 807 Joined: 9-October 04 Member No.: 6,741 |
Look, I'll admit this: I'm not happy with it being late either. Nor am I happy with the idea we may have to wait until next week. But you know what? I don't hold Adam at fault.
Adam worked his ass off pulling an overnighter attempting to get it finished by the due date, which by a post on here was a surprise to him. He didn't have to do that. He could have simply posted something on the site calling that date an error. But the point is that he tried. That counts for something in the rural areas, and I hope it still counts for something in the corporate world. Now, do I hope it will be out tomorrow? Yes. Adam is working his ass off to make that so. However, does that mean I'm going to get pissed at Adam if it's not? No. There are too many things that can go wrong in 24 hours that can easily prevent the PDF from being finished. And none of those involve the PDF program itself. With the amount of work he potentially has to do and the number of potential problems, the idea we might not see it until next week is an idea I hope is wrong but one I know is a possibility. And you know what? Not a single one of those problems are things Adam can do anything about. Will I be disappointed if the PDF is delayed? Yes. Will I be angry? Maybe. Will I blame Adam? No. |
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Aug 25 2005, 06:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 338 Joined: 17-September 04 From: Pueblo Sector of Denver Member No.: 6,672 |
I couldn't say that any better...so I guess I just have to say "me too!" |
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Aug 25 2005, 07:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
Why is anyone suprised? Hasn't SR's delivery schedule been 'regularly late'? I've never really paid any attention, but it seems to be a running joke - Fanpro's release dates are almost never met.
The entire SR3 End run of books was second burnered for SR4/Gencon. There's still what, 2? 3? more SR3 books out in pre-print limbo? |
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Aug 25 2005, 09:15 PM
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Karma Police Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,358 Joined: 22-July 04 From: Gothenburg, SE Member No.: 6,505 |
Bah. I had set my sights for a release one week after gen-con. Then we got a release date much earlier that expecterd. I unwisely got set for the new date. Then it was pushed back, and I burned all my steam before it got released. Now I donŽt care anymore. IŽll still get exited when it arrives but...
It may not be a big deal, but it would have been sweet to get the damn thing when I really had my knickers in a twist. |
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Aug 25 2005, 10:37 PM
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The Wandering One Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 121 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Camp Hill, PA, USA Member No.: 135 |
I second that.......
Its the anticipation thats a pain, but now that we are removed from the original date, I'll just be glad to get it. |
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Aug 25 2005, 10:42 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 14-April 05 Member No.: 7,331 |
Well Adam himself said it should be out tomorrow (friday) and if he wasn't taking a 'star trek engineer' attitude and giving himself plenty of extra time to complete it, after the unfortunate debacle with the previous release date, then I think he is not being as sensible as he could be. Therefore I am certain it will be out tomorrow.
To paraphrase Oscar: To miss one deadline may be regarded as a misfortune; to miss to looks like carelessness. After the last miss it would be better for him to have said next Monday that Friday and miss it again. Unless they are just hoping that the blad blood engendered for that is irrelevant to sales. |
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Aug 25 2005, 10:43 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Erm, I always thought that Friday date was an estimate made by DSFers and not Adam?
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Aug 25 2005, 10:45 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 14-April 05 Member No.: 7,331 |
Ooops. IF it was then I heartily apologise. I thought I saw a post from him saying he was taking three days off and it should be out on friday.
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Aug 25 2005, 10:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 807 Joined: 9-October 04 Member No.: 6,741 |
No, Adam himself said it. Want a link to the topic?
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Aug 25 2005, 10:48 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,420 Joined: 30-October 03 Member No.: 5,776 |
No, it originated from Adam. I can't remember which thread it was in, but he said he was going to take some "actual vacation vacayion" mon-wed and try to get the .pdf done sometime Friday.
EDIT: Oh yeah it was in this thread. |
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Aug 25 2005, 10:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 807 Joined: 9-October 04 Member No.: 6,741 |
It was in this topic: http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=9503
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