So when is it going to be available?

No earlier than tomorrow, and probably not until next week.

Are we there yet?

It'll be done when it is done. Adam is likely working on at this very momment. At least he damn well better be. He was hoping to finish it sometime tomorrow, but sometimes crap happens. How long it takes for the online stores to get a finished PDF up for sale i don't know.

Adam estimated tomorow in the guess thread so who knows. I'm not getting my hopes up, already been disapointed once by his claims.

Like we need a third thread discussing this.

Zen Shooter 01, you are a firk ding blast fraggin' hoop head in need of an asshat!!! (Now you flame me.) (maybe that'll get the thread locked?)

Sorry for the repetition, but I didn't see any thread titled SR4 PDF, so.

I was raised in an isolated rural area of America, where they still believe, quaintly, that when somebody tells you they will do something by a certain time, they mean it, and they deliver. Especially when they choose their own delivery date.

I don't fit in very well with this newfangled modern world where the customers ask, When will it be available? And the company answers, "March 9th, 1562," and we all smile and nod our heads.

Crossing fingers for friday...we are suppose to start our campaign on friday

It would be wierd if the pdf were available before the printed book is in stores.

Seems like it would canabilize print sales, which would make the retailers & distributors & possibly fanpro (depending on which form gets them more money, and how many double sales they think they can get) less money... but then rpg publishing might not have the level of orginization to even think about covering such possibilities. For game software the retail distributors often have an exclusive for months before electronic sales are allowed.

Zen, I grew up in a similar area. I also learned that sometimes, despite telling folks you'll have it by a certain time, you can't. In which case, you can hem 'n haw and make excuses... or you can say, "Look, I'm sorry, but it's going to be late. I'll do my best to get it out ASAP, but I want to do it right instead of giving you half a product."

Y'know what? Adam went with the latter. He's going to give us our product with the quality he promised, and he apologized for being late.

Now, you can be mad. You can take your money elsewhere. But, you don't have to "smile and nod [your] head," as you put it. It just doesn't do any good to stomp your feet about it. Say you're not happy, but there's no need to come off as if you were personally treated badly.

Look, I'll admit this: I'm not happy with it being late either. Nor am I happy with the idea we may have to wait until next week. But you know what? I don't hold Adam at fault.

Adam worked his ass off pulling an overnighter attempting to get it finished by the due date, which by a post on here was a surprise to him. He didn't have to do that. He could have simply posted something on the site calling that date an error. But the point is that he tried. That counts for something in the rural areas, and I hope it still counts for something in the corporate world.

Now, do I hope it will be out tomorrow? Yes. Adam is working his ass off to make that so. However, does that mean I'm going to get pissed at Adam if it's not? No. There are too many things that can go wrong in 24 hours that can easily prevent the PDF from being finished. And none of those involve the PDF program itself. With the amount of work he potentially has to do and the number of potential problems, the idea we might not see it until next week is an idea I hope is wrong but one I know is a possibility. And you know what? Not a single one of those problems are things Adam can do anything about.

Will I be disappointed if the PDF is delayed? Yes. Will I be angry? Maybe. Will I blame Adam? No.

Why is anyone suprised? Hasn't SR's delivery schedule been 'regularly late'? I've never really paid any attention, but it seems to be a running joke - Fanpro's release dates are almost never met.

The entire SR3 End run of books was second burnered for SR4/Gencon. There's still what, 2? 3? more SR3 books out in pre-print limbo?

Bah. I had set my sights for a release one week after gen-con. Then we got a release date much earlier that expecterd. I unwisely got set for the new date. Then it was pushed back, and I burned all my steam before it got released. Now I don´t care anymore. I´ll still get exited when it arrives but...

It may not be a big deal, but it would have been sweet to get the damn thing when I really had my knickers in a twist.

I second that.......

Its the anticipation thats a pain, but now that we are removed from the original date, I'll just be glad to get it.

Well Adam himself said it should be out tomorrow (friday) and if he wasn't taking a 'star trek engineer' attitude and giving himself plenty of extra time to complete it, after the unfortunate debacle with the previous release date, then I think he is not being as sensible as he could be. Therefore I am certain it will be out tomorrow.

To paraphrase Oscar: To miss one deadline may be regarded as a misfortune; to miss to looks like carelessness.

After the last miss it would be better for him to have said next Monday that Friday and miss it again. Unless they are just hoping that the blad blood engendered for that is irrelevant to sales.

Erm, I always thought that Friday date was an estimate made by DSFers and not Adam?

Ooops. IF it was then I heartily apologise. I thought I saw a post from him saying he was taking three days off and it should be out on friday.

No, Adam himself said it. Want a link to the topic?

No, it originated from Adam. I can't remember which thread it was in, but he said he was going to take some "actual vacation vacayion" mon-wed and try to get the .pdf done sometime Friday.

EDIT: Oh yeah it was in this thread.

It was in this topic: http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=9503

He said that he might be done with it on Friday, but even if he meets that estimate (which wasn't a guarantee by any means) that doesn't necessarily mean that it will be released on that day.

Well seeing as the thread was about when we would be able to DL the .pdf. True he said 'suspect'. But all I was saying is if he didn't give himself extra time in there it was a silly thing to say.

That's the downside of being just on the outside of the inside by participating in this message board. You get unofficially dribbled bits of information that is earlier but is not as accurate as the official press releases on fanpro's website.

Are we still on target for the PDF today?

I hope so.

At this point I wish I could stop compulsive checks to here and battlecorps...but I can't

//Roots for Adam

Well your not the only one doing constant checks.

Adam? Are you there? How are you doing, fighter? Status report please.

No sign of the man since his last post, yesterday (8/25) at 5:35pm (EST).

Come on. If he sees this he´s already wasting time. And I bet he might be at some point, perhaps as he´s taking a break with coffee and a sandwich. He should allow himself that much.

Anyway. I might be getting more impatient because it´s 7 pm here. It´s american friday until 8 oclock next morning here, so I guess until then I might stil see it before the weekend.

Adam's working hard, so no wonder he's not psting here. And i think that's the way it should be

Anyone else got the image of an unshaven, unwashed Adam, sitting in front of his computer, rocking back and forth amidst the litter of 20 cases of Red Bull, watching the hourglass cursor spin for the 4,347th time, muttering to himself "almost there.....almost there..."?

Spookymonster: I never had any other image of Adam.

For the record, I'm not angry at Adam, particularly. I'm angry at FanPro, generally, for announcing release dates that they know are impossible. I know Adam is working hard - the point is, things should be organized better so that he doesn't have to. Things should be organized better so that not everything is a hair-on-fire emergency. Things should be organized so that books make their release dates. Set the dates further in the future if you have to, I don't mind.

I mean, look at SR4.

"It comes out at Gencon!"

"Well, it will be available at Gencon. For the rest of the world, it streets a month later. Wasn't that clear?"

"What do you mean, most SR players can't make it to Gencon? Are the Germans whining about the distance again? I bet the Australians are bitching, too, then."

"The PDF comes out before Gencon!"

"...Gencon 2006!"

Why couldn't they say something like this?:

"SR4 comes out in Semptember, but those of you lucky enough to be attending Gencon will have a chance at prerelease copies we'll have on sale there!"

So it's almost midnight, think it'll come out?

Uhmmm...no? I rather doubt Adam is working late on a Friday night.

Your doubt is incorrect.

Slight slowdown since I've been adding in corrections and I'm waiting on the official word on a few more.

Yay!