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 Sep 1 2005, 01:11 PM
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The King In Yellow  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121  |
Yes, definitly. For all I know, there's nothing inherently nazi about the Barbarossa myth, or all the other ancient German sagas. and without that to support your game universe (if it indeed is to be built on legends, as SR tends to be), well ... we get DidS smurf kingdoms and very stupid mockeries of regional stereotypes.
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Sep 3 2005, 11:32 AM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
*hiss*
A coup ... but in the WRONG COUNTRY!!! GRRRR!!!!!!!! Now, if FP-De has a coup in Germany, everyone is gonna yell "you're only copying the yanks' stuff!" ... so we're stuck with the miserable setting that is the AGS >_<. Fuck. |
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Sep 3 2005, 11:36 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
A lot of countries over the 6th world had seen a coup, so why not germany? I won't blame FanPro for doing so after all.
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Sep 3 2005, 11:53 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Yeah. Give it time.
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Sep 3 2005, 12:06 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Seems quite unlikly - there is someone golden who likes the way the puppets dance in Europe.
Sorry to see you missed my point entirely. |
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Sep 3 2005, 12:07 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Even GD can die/being crossed/ tricked out.
I don't like the "Lofwyr is allmighty" theme... |
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Sep 3 2005, 12:09 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
..thats why you want a 'hidden' despot replaced with an visible one? ;)
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Sep 3 2005, 12:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 6-August 02 From: Kiel, Germany Member No.: 3,071 |
Sure all can die but Loffy :-) I really like the theme of him being a little bit better harder tougher sexier.... meaner than anybody or anything else... |
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 Sep 3 2005, 12:21 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
There are other ways of handling regime change in the AGS that don't involve a coup... for instance, imagine the rise of a nationalist anti-mega coalition gambling on a kneejerk reaction to Lofwyr's stunt during System Failure and the apparent mishandling of the whole crisis by the C.C.
however, even I doubt 5 years will be enough to bring in full reunification. |
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Sep 3 2005, 01:13 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
I think it's possible to have the AGS unified under the flag of a strong ruler/corp/whoever, maybe with Lofwyr backing him.
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Sep 3 2005, 02:07 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Well, not maybe - only... politics is about what you sell the masses, not what you actually do - even a 'rise of a nationalist anti-mega coalition' would have to have the blessing of golden snout.
(Not that he wouldn't be all to happy giving that - ruling out competition while maintaining control over the new puppets is quite an old trick) |
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Sep 3 2005, 04:17 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Or another powerful faction steps in and deals with Lofwyr in an painful (for the dragon) way. I don't like his grip over the AGS, but i don't have much hope that this will change in the near future... so i would be happy with a unifying movement of some sort which leads to a new dictatorship in the AGS and destroys all those shitty settings we currently have their. Like honkey-donkey litte TT, the Berlin joke and brandenburg, saxonia or westphalia.
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Sep 3 2005, 04:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 6-August 02 From: Kiel, Germany Member No.: 3,071 |
For my feeling of SR it is important taht Lofwyr has a tight grip over AGL and the whole bunch of Europe... It is his powerbase and I think it should stay that way... Perhaps even more become his turf...
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Sep 3 2005, 04:26 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Everything imperium is doomed to break apart, that's a lesson history gave us. Lofwyr shouldn't be without flaw.
And remember: history repeats itself. |
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Sep 3 2005, 04:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 6-August 02 From: Kiel, Germany Member No.: 3,071 |
On the contrary :love: He should be... But thats just personal rambling... |
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Sep 4 2005, 01:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 7-December 04 Member No.: 6,873 |
Or you could go the way a crazy GM of mine did, back in second ed (On the verge of SR3, I came in for the last two sessions of the campaign before we converted and I ended up GMing)...
And kill Lofwyr... Then Europe just goes crazy. I had fun in the Lofwyr-free Europe, anyways. |
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Sep 4 2005, 01:22 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
Dont forget, Lofwyr has the "Twist Fate" power. Its in the rulebook !
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Sep 4 2005, 12:09 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Pha, rules are just guidelines. ;)
There are ways to kill the Golden Dragon. Powerful dragon magic i.e. |
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Sep 6 2005, 05:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 232 Joined: 19-October 04 Member No.: 6,773 |
I almost suggested thor shotting as a viable way to kill him, then I realized he probably as an anchored detect thor shot/thor shot barrier spell up at 999,999 force.
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Sep 6 2005, 05:53 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
Nukes, good ol' Nukes.
Or send in a strik team of Uber-Cybered Albino Drop Bear Ninjas. |
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Sep 6 2005, 06:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
Attacking Lofwyr with nuclear weapons would result in instant retaliation by Saeder Krupp. That would mean nuclear apocalypse...
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Sep 6 2005, 01:29 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
You've been brainwashed by the SK PR, that's all. There are ways and possibilities to kill even a GD, and even Lofwyr.
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Sep 6 2005, 03:39 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Yes, I can imagine ... have Ryan Mercury cast a "Summon Verjigorme", for instance. ^^
Or just have Alamaise have a go at him. We don't need him killed, just humiliated. Alamaise is a Great too after all, he cannot be THAT inferior to Loffy. Anyway, I'd be happy to just see Pomorya, WRL, Berlin, Saxony and Black Forest go, and have the country replaced with something at least remotely believable. |
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Sep 6 2005, 05:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 27-January 03 From: Kentucky, USA Member No.: 3,958 |
... dammit. Now I've got the idea for a Verjigorm cult in my head. :D |
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Sep 6 2005, 07:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 637 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,528 |
Most likely someone has read that the "Brandtaucher" (an 18th century submarine) was tested there and speculated that the "Meer" (like in Mittelmeer - The Mediterane sea but actually a local dialect for a lake as opposed the die See like in Baltic Sea) is rather big and deep. Actually the beast is 32km square [8x4.5km] and between 0.5 and 3.5m deep (average: 1.5m - you can walk almost the whole way to the island) http://www.naturpark-steinhuder-meer.de/ue...arte/karte.html Biggest problem for a sub would be getting out of the lake. The Meerbach is rather small (but at least leads to the Weser) and the Hagenburg-Channel ends after 1.5km in a city. Oh and the "fortress" is on an artificial island build onto a rather sandy ground. Looks quite massiv but was build as a military school. If you ever get a chance, visit! Birdy |
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