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post Sep 2 2005, 10:57 PM
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Diabetics don't slip into a psychotic state. They fall into a diabetic coma and go comatose. Nor do they pick up fire arms and shoot people and go around raping women.

Not because they are diabetic, anyways.

I would rather not machine-gun villages because it is the easiest out, though.
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post Sep 2 2005, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE (Shadow @ Sep 2 2005, 04:52 PM)
Diabetics don't slip into a psychotic state. They fall into a diabetic coma and go comatose. Nor do they pick up fire arms and shoot people and go around raping women.

No, that probably isn't the correct term for it. But before they are in a comma they do appear intoxicated and right out of it. However if i was a diabetic that had some stockpiled but ran out and i'm worried about the mean streets and i have a weapon i'm likely to carry it as i go searching for the meds i need to live. I'm also going to look like shit no matter how clean and upstanding i looked before.

*bang*

Judgement past, sentence served.

EDIT: And mercy on the schizophrenics that run out of meds and have an episode.
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post Sep 2 2005, 11:03 PM
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At this point it really doesn't matter what they are addictied to, only that they cannot function without that chemical. It is simply prudent to provide refugees with the drugs that they need, whatever those drugs may be.

People don't need crack, cocaine, and heroine. They need sleep, food, and water, and in some cases insulin and other life saving drugs.

Providing narcotics to addicts (who are addicts by choice) is absurd.

You've obviously never seen someone withdrawing from these drugs. They are useless to the relief effort while they are suffering from withdrawl. They can't even help themseles. If you give them what they need they might become productive if you can guarentee them a steady supply. There is something to be said for the usefullness to drug-adicted slave-workers, as any SR megacorp knows

Also, cocaine isn't a narcotic, it is s stimulant. Crack is a different form of cocain. Heroine is a narcotic. It is a minor distinction, but an important one.
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post Sep 2 2005, 11:04 PM
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You are just being dramatic to make it look bad. If you are in a diabetic coma, you are not moving. You might sit there and mumble to your self, maybe, but you aren't going to be walking around waving a gun. Any EMT worth his sault can spot a diabetic coma as opposed to being drunk or high.
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post Sep 2 2005, 11:05 PM
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Also, cocaine isn't a narcotic, it is s stimulant. Crack is a different form of cocain. Heroine is a narcotic. It is a minor distinction, but an important one.

Your going to fit in nicely around here. You are of course correct.
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post Sep 2 2005, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE (Shadow @ Sep 2 2005, 05:04 PM)
You are just being dramatic to make it look bad. If you are in a diabetic coma, you are not moving. You might sit there and mumble to your self, maybe, but you aren't going to be walking around waving a gun. Any EMT worth his sault can spot a diabetic coma as opposed to being drunk or high.

And a National Guard or Marine? I'm not being dramatic to make it look bad, i'm pointing out why you don't send a policing force into a city and tell them shoot-on-sight for 'druggies'.
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post Sep 2 2005, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE (Shadow @ Sep 2 2005, 05:04 PM)
You are just being dramatic to make it look bad. If you are in a diabetic coma, you are not moving. You might sit there and mumble to your self, maybe, but you aren't going to be walking around waving a gun. Any EMT worth his sault can spot a diabetic coma as opposed to being drunk or high.

And a National Guard or Marine? I'm not being dramatic to make it look bad, i'm pointing out why you don't send a policing force into a city and tell them shoot-on-sight for 'drugies'.

No one ever said that. They said shoot the people who are shooting at the rescue forces. Most of which happen to be drug addicts.
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post Sep 2 2005, 11:09 PM
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Oh, for the love of...
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post Sep 2 2005, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE (Shadow)
You are just being dramatic to make it look bad. If you are in a diabetic coma, you are not moving. You might sit there and mumble to your self, maybe, but you aren't going to be walking around waving a gun. Any EMT worth his sault can spot a diabetic coma as opposed to being drunk or high.

Whhy are we focusing on diabetics? How about bi-polars who have lost their lithium and have gone into a manic state while living near an abandoned gun store?

What about schizophrenics who no longer have the pills that quiet the vioces in their heads?

What about PTSDed vets who don't have access to the extacy they were self-medicating with because the DEA won't approve clinical testing for the drug?

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post Sep 2 2005, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE (Shadow @ Sep 2 2005, 05:08 PM)
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QUOTE (Shadow @ Sep 2 2005, 05:04 PM)
You are just being dramatic to make it look bad. If you are in a diabetic coma, you are not moving. You might sit there and mumble to your self, maybe, but you aren't going to be walking around waving a gun. Any EMT worth his sault can spot a diabetic coma as opposed to being drunk or high.

And a National Guard or Marine? I'm not being dramatic to make it look bad, i'm pointing out why you don't send a policing force into a city and tell them shoot-on-sight for 'drugies'.

No one ever said that. They said shoot the people who are shooting at the rescue forces.

Sorry, i could have sworn that someone said that. I must have just got some smoke in my eye from my crack pipe.

EDIT: No wait, it was a puff of smoke from your bong.

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Most of which happen to be drug addicts.


Really?
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post Sep 3 2005, 02:44 AM
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Right. Because people who are totally innocent always run from the cops. God knows I do it all the time. I mean, it makes sense to feel from law enforcement when you've done nothing wrong. It's not like it will make you look guilty or anything.

Are you really that stupid?

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post Sep 3 2005, 03:26 AM
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I'm pretty sure he is.
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post Sep 3 2005, 02:27 PM
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If that isn't sig worthy, I don't know what is.
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post Sep 3 2005, 03:57 PM
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Back on subject (and really seeing it as irrelevant to discuss how diabetes can occasionally lead to psychotic episodes, just now), two links for tracking down missing persons:Good luck, Shadow: and thank you.
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post Sep 3 2005, 04:03 PM
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Thank you Talia.

As crazy as this osunds, if you work for a large company see if they have a number to call for help. It was ponited out that we may get calsl form contacts in the affected areas who, having lost their phone books, may call any number that they can remeber. So we have numbers to connect then to if we get a call for them to get insurance aid and emergency svs.

It would not hurt to keep these things in your work place to, if you work for a company with offices in the region, just in case.
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post Sep 3 2005, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
QUOTE (TheOneRonin @ Sep 2 2005, 12:14 PM)
Right.  Because people who are totally innocent always run from the cops.  God knows I do it all the time.  I mean, it makes sense to feel from law enforcement when you've done nothing wrong.  It's not like it will make you look guilty or anything.

Are you really that stupid?

~J

Sorry about that. I assumed you guys would pick up on the sarcasm. I'll be more elementary next time.
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post Sep 3 2005, 05:05 PM
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sarcasm, on a dumpshock thread?

thats wasted effort.

here everything will be taken for face value, be them flanked by :silly: or not ;)
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post Sep 3 2005, 05:14 PM
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Update:

From what I saw for a couple minutes, a MASSIVE airlifting campaign has been started at the Convention Center, using the Chinooks and other heavy lifters to transport out anywhere from 200-600 people every so often, and vehicles are now getting in there as well.

So the Convention Center is well on its way to being emptied, and the Superdome was pretty much done last night. That means that all this talk about bringing in the entire armed forces = unnecessary.

And remember guys: US military are Superior/Trained ratings. They can take on 2-3 shadowrunners a piece, so I'm sure average citizens deciding to act retarded won't be a problem...

The only place I'm really worried about now was where the escapee's from the prison were sniping and holding down those 50-100 firefighter's families. I need to hear more news on it.
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post Sep 3 2005, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (TheOneRonin)
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Sep 2 2005, 09:44 PM)
QUOTE (TheOneRonin @ Sep 2 2005, 12:14 PM)
Right.  Because people who are totally innocent always run from the cops.  God knows I do it all the time.  I mean, it makes sense to feel from law enforcement when you've done nothing wrong.  It's not like it will make you look guilty or anything.

Are you really that stupid?

~J

Sorry about that. I assumed you guys would pick up on the sarcasm. I'll be more elementary next time.

Actually, I'm a bit confused now.

I thought that Ronin's point was that only guilty people run from cops or that the innocent have nothing to fear from the police. A position rather trusting of authority.

And I thought Kage understood Ronin's sarcasm but feels that running away is absolutely no proof of guilt. One where there is considerably less trust of the powers-that-be than Ronin's.

So my read is that if Ronin's point is that it's correct to implicitly trust authority, Kage is calling that idea absolutely ludicrous.
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post Sep 3 2005, 05:57 PM
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You are correct. Ronin didn't quite, y'know, catch that.
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post Sep 3 2005, 06:58 PM
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I suppose I'm a minority on this board because I wouldn't run from the cops if I didn't do anything wrong. No, I do not think that it is correct to always implicitly trust authority. And Kage, despite the personal attack, I do agree with you if you are of the opinion that authority can and often is used to abuse and take advantage of people. People get harassed all the time by cops, even where I am from, whether they deserve it or not. However, looking through the eyes of someone born and raised in the Gulf Coast reigon of the United States of America, I don't this it is smart to run from the cops. I don't think that means I would let one rape my wife and drive off in my car. Of course, maybe my sarcastic comment was more reactionary and not as thought out as it should have been. I might very well see things differently if I was a foreign national living in a another country.

So if not running from police in my own country if I did nothing wrong means I'm stupid, then YES, I'M THAT FUCKING STUPID.

Last I checked, the US isn't China.
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One more thing. I know we have some RL law enforcement people who post reguarly on these boards. How do you guys (and girls) feel about this discussion?
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post Sep 3 2005, 07:14 PM
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they are probably doing the smart thing and staying the hell away from this thread...
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I might be in the minority, but I don't run from the cops WHEN THEY HAVE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS AND SAY 'STOP! POLICE!'

I certainly don't run into a subway. The term 'railroading' is used for a reason.
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I suppose I'm a minority on this board because I wouldn't run from the cops if I didn't do anything wrong.  No, I do not think that it is correct to always implicitly trust authority.  And Kage, despite the personal attack, I do agree with you if you are of the opinion that authority can and often is used to abuse and take advantage of people.  People get harassed all the time by cops, even where I am from, whether they deserve it or not.  However, looking through the eyes of someone born and raised in the Gulf Coast reigon of the United States of America, I don't this it is smart to run from the cops.  I don't think that means I would let one rape my wife and drive off in my car.  Of course, maybe my sarcastic comment was more reactionary and not as thought out as it should have been.  I might very well see things differently if I was a foreign national living in a another country.

So if not running from police in my own country if I did nothing wrong means I'm stupid, then YES, I'M THAT FUCKING STUPID.

Last I checked, the US isn't China.

No, it just means that you're in a racial group that rarely if ever encounters a suspicious cop. You're definitely in the majority. Most people don't run from cops. But for most people, interactions with on-duty police are extremely rare. I would imagine yours are too.

It's like a seat belt. I don't wear it because of my driving. I wear it because of the other guy's. Same with the police. I know I'm not guilty and under normal circumstances, I'll give the police the benefit of the doubt. But in times of stress (London bombings, NO), I'm a bit more wary. Not least because in NO right now, it's easy for the police to enter an us vs. the unwashed masses mentality.

I'd probably stop trusting the police more if I kept getting hassled because I fell into a racial group that was profiled (either south Asians or young blacks males).

I'd try to avoid the cops more if every time they see me or my friends, their hands go to their holsters or call for backup.

I'd probably run from the "heroes of 9/11" if I was in NY during 1997-1999 during the Amadou Diallo and Abner Louima times.
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