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 Sep 1 2005, 10:55 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon...  Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698  |
Some weeks ago a lot of people here complained and complained about SR4 without actually knowing either the rules nor the new setting.
Now SR4 is availabe (at least as PDF) and no "I hate SR4 because no Drop Bears are in it"-threads appear here. What happened to all the SR4-haters? Can't imagine they all deleted their DS account. :D |
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Sep 1 2005, 10:57 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
if only...
looks like most skipped the hate phase and have gone into house rule mode. just look at all the threads and posts about house ruleing anything from matrix or skills... |
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Sep 1 2005, 10:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
There are no hate-threads. But enough 'let us houserule that' postings in a bunch of threads.
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Sep 1 2005, 10:59 AM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
That's not the same ;)
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Sep 1 2005, 11:34 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
We're beyond hate, and into the "acceptance/modification" stage. Deal. It's crap (like we thought it'd be), so we're done complaining about it to no avail, and now able to get our paws on it and try to fix it into something we wanted to play. That's life. A few weeks ago all we could do was look at every tidbit of information released, gnash our teeth about them, and bitch -- now that it's out, we can do something semi-productive instead of post to DS, so that's what's happening.
Welcome to progress. |
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Sep 1 2005, 11:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
In those golden old days, when 3rd edition was arriving, the 'conservatives' have not been so progressive. Oh good old times, where have you gone? ;)
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Sep 1 2005, 12:35 PM
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Knight Templar Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 212 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Ipswich, UK Just South of the Stinkfens Member No.: 6,424 |
Like Critias and others, I said what I had to say at the time. Now SR4 is here and my worst fears have been realised. I don't like SR4 so I'm not going to buy it, but what's the point of rehashing old issues? SR4 is here and that's the way it's going to be.
I'd rather be of what little use I can be helping with correcting some of the flaws in SR3, than indulge in pointless flame wars over an established fact for the entertainment of those who like that sort of thing. |
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Sep 1 2005, 12:47 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
Oracle, I will buy you cookies. That's exactly how I feel about things. P.S. To all you people who say your worst fears have been realized? You don't know squat. You should see the SR4 I can cook up when drunk. Ever seen a magic system predicated on 'give the sake bottle back to the GM, or take 2D6+Punch In the Gut stun damage?' |
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Sep 1 2005, 12:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
Me likes cookies. ;)
New editions alsways cause a lot of bitching. |
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Sep 1 2005, 12:54 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
And moaning. Can't forget the moaning. Wish we could. |
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Sep 1 2005, 01:00 PM
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Knight Templar Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 212 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Ipswich, UK Just South of the Stinkfens Member No.: 6,424 |
Adarael, as you don't know what my worst fears are I could also say 'You don't know squat'. I'm sure that any one of us could come up with a totally ridiculous system when drunk. All I am saying is that SR4 is IMO a game system that I don't wish to play. I hoped that this would not be so, but it is.
What I do know is that I don't like SR4. That is purely my own personal feeling. I hope that I am still allowed to express an opinion about SR4 which is negative, on a thread that specifically asked where all the negative SR4 threads had gone. |
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Sep 1 2005, 01:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 3-July 02 Member No.: 2,929 |
So your entire defense is "It could be worse"? Everything could always be 'worse', that doesn't make it 'good' or even 'tolerable'. As for what sort of system can be cooked up drunk, I'm one of Kagetenshi's players so I'll (sooner or later) be subjected to SR3R. |
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Sep 1 2005, 01:02 PM
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Knight Templar Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 212 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Ipswich, UK Just South of the Stinkfens Member No.: 6,424 |
Then why post to a thread that was specifically asking where all the negative threads were? |
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Sep 1 2005, 01:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
SirBedevere, CirclMastr: I think you take this thread way to serious, guys. :)
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Sep 1 2005, 01:19 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Because the damn thing keeps turning blue and coming to the top, doesn't matter if i click on it on not. :P P.S. It sure makes more sense than you posting on an SR4 board....still. :talker: |
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Sep 1 2005, 01:59 PM
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Knight Templar Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 212 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Ipswich, UK Just South of the Stinkfens Member No.: 6,424 |
I see I'm not allowed. |
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Sep 1 2005, 02:03 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Well if you are reading the board anyway, have fun. ;) So let me rephrase that to: It sure makes more sense than you being on an SR4 board....still. EDIT: And yes, this assuming that you intend to grab an illegal copy of SR4 to try retro fit stuff into SR3. Not that that isn't ripe with lucious irony. |
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Sep 1 2005, 02:07 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Having picked up the PDF i'm wholly negative about sr4 with a few exceptions. I just don't feel the need to bitch about it here. My group has silently scrapped all plans to move to SR4 because of the (in out opinions) atrocious mechanics which negatively impact atmosphere and gameplay to a far reaching degree.
After perusing my copy noone else in my group will be picking up the core rules, we vote with our wallets. If other people like it or can tolerate it, then good for them. It's done now. |
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Sep 1 2005, 02:23 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,663 |
I've read these forums for a while, but never posted.
From what I have read about SR4 I am kinda worried that Fanpro have ruined a perfectly good game. They ruined Battletech, and now this. The system seems to be filled with things that seemed like a good idea at the time, and havn't been actually thought out or analysed. The posts on Glitches seem to be a good example of my point. You are more likely to Mess up if you have 2 dice than 1, or 4 fice than 3. That sucks. Can nobody who wrote this do maths? Next I am worried about the background. I always played SR for the background cos it was cool. Why the hell did they mess with it so much. I liked it as it was. If it ain't broke don't fix it, and that is the bit that wasn't broke. Wireless Matrix. What's the point? It makes no sense in the context of shadowrun. Even if there was a crash something that is just so stupid, it is insane. Why would you replace it with a brand new expensive system that only benefits people with stuff in their heads. Corps are interested int he bottom line. The matrix worked fine and cost little. Why would you spend BILLIONS, or TRILLIONS on a new system? If a system breaks you don't rip it out and replace it with something more complicated. And how can it at all be useful for a shadowrunner. Surely the 1st and most vital security measure anyone can take is to NOT have their security accessed over radio waves! |
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Sep 1 2005, 02:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
You are a little late with these kind of complaints.
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Sep 1 2005, 02:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 16-January 05 Member No.: 6,984 |
What do you replace it with then? Especially if it breaks beyond repair. They do have a history of doing that, they replaced the net with the matrix after the first crash after all. Not read SF yet, so still don't know exactly what happened. But just think, everyone else also has wireless, providing you with a wealth of new opportunities. But the only way to take advantage of such opportunities have the ability to connect to them. I mean, if you want to make sure you never get a virus from the internet, the most effective way to secure yourself is to turn off your internet connection (you can do a similar thing in SR4), but if you do that, you can't take advantage of the net can you? |
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Sep 1 2005, 02:33 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,010 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Having read through a fair amount of the book, I can safely say the answer is "no". Ranneko: you set up something whose information-carrying capacity doesn't quickly run afoul of the Shannon limit. ~J |
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Sep 1 2005, 02:39 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 75 Joined: 4-May 02 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 2,684 |
Personally I miss the old priority-based character generation system. Having BP for those who like it is a good option, but I've always loved introducing new players to SR because character generation was so easy. You could build a character using just the 3rd edition book and not feel like the others with more experience had left you behind.
That said I have no intention of switching at this point. What I've seen of 4th edition doesn't sit well with me. Granted, I haven't seen a lot, but what I have seen doesn't excite me. That would be like going to a movie after watching a sucky preview. Well, it would be if movies cost $40 :) I'm still a bit interested though, and I'm sure at least one of my players will pick up a PDF that I can peruse. Who knows, maybe at some point I'll change my mind, but at this point I've got other expenses. I need another copy of Spycraft 2.0, Mastering Iron Lore just came out, and hopefully I'll be able to pick up a copy of System Crash when it comes out in print. Heck, maybe I'll get lucky and a player will pick it up on PDF, then I won't have to worry about that either :) |
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Sep 1 2005, 02:41 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,663 |
I know I am late, but as I said I never posted before.
I have bought every single SR3 book except first run and starter rules. I think I won't be buying this before I have had a good look over someone elses PDF. Is crimson skies next on their kill list? |
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Sep 1 2005, 02:47 PM
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Knight Templar Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 212 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Ipswich, UK Just South of the Stinkfens Member No.: 6,424 |
No blakkie I'm not going to use an illegally obtained copy of SR4. By the way, it's interesting to know you assume I'm a thief, I'm glad to know how I'm perceived here.
I am trying to help in the extremely limited way I can in Kagetenshi's SR3R project, not trying to retro fit SR4 into SR3. I thought when this thread was started it was genuinely seeking information. That is the only reason why I 'bitched and moaned'. I see I was wrong. |
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