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post Sep 1 2005, 03:40 PM
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As everyone with the book now knows, Voodoo is not in the basic book. That leaves a number of people high and dry. However, it's relatively easy to port things back in:

The game leaves open the idea that additional spirit types will be introduced later, so it is an option to simply bring in additional spirits that have Possession instead of Manifestation. This is a horrible idea! Possession spirits and manifesting spirits are useful for entirely different things, so if possessing spirits are just another choice every single spellcaster is going to choose to get at least one manifesting spirit and at least one possessing spirit. Remember: PCs get to choose five spirits and most of them are pretty much interchangeable (not to mention the fact that noone cares about sustaining combat spells, and noone ever has in any edition, so you even have a couple of "spare" slots out of the five that can be used for edge-case spirits that won't always be available).

No. The better idea is to allow a player to choose Manifestation or Possession as their primary way of doing things at character creation. Here's how it works:

"Unbound": An unbound summoning goes directly into your own body or that of a willing and able host. There's no period of it being on the Astral Plane at all. You (or a follower) simply become Dual Natured, get a fat stack of physical bonuses, and get relevent powers. And heck, if you summon an unbound spirit into yourself, you don't actually make the drain test until the spirit dismounts.

"Bound": A binding ritual puts the spirit into a single helpless sapient (or ex sapient). The "good guys" use dead bodies, which creates zombies or ancestor reanimation (depending upon who you are talking to), and the "bad guys" use living people captured for this purpose.

This means that Possession Magic (light side) is used by: Ancestor-Focused Animists, Bearsarkers, Houngans, Mahou Shojou, Oracles, and Super Heroes. And it means that Possession Magic (dark side) is used by: Budhist Demon Worshippers, The Dark Moon Kingdom, Petro Houngan, Satanists, The Universal Brotherhood, and Werewolves.

The only difference between light side and dark side is that the dark side people get threat ratings and can use/need living creatures for their bound spirits, and light side magicians do not get threat ratings and can use/need dead bodies to bind spirits. Under no circumstance can Possession Conjuring characters store their bound spirits in the astral plane, but their bound spirits also never cause sustaining penalties. A bound spirit can't depossess.

Since Invoking no longer exists, and the standard spirits (which can be selected) have immunity to normal weapons, it is important that possessing spirits give a smaller immunity to normal weapons than a normal spirit has. I suggest that you get half the effect - that is Hardened Armor = Force, rather than Hardened Armor = Double Force.

-Frank
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- FrankTrollman   Bringing back Voodoo   Sep 1 2005, 03:40 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE Remember: PCs get to choose five spirits I...   Sep 1 2005, 04:04 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Well, that understanding is wrong. QUOTE the pl...   Sep 1 2005, 04:49 PM
- - blakkie   Er, that's what i said. Tradition gets built. ...   Sep 1 2005, 05:05 PM
- - FrankTrollman   I don't exactly fear the idea of people pickin...   Sep 2 2005, 06:08 AM
- - Ellery   Doesn't this kind of go against the philosophy...   Sep 2 2005, 06:52 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Doesn't this kind of go against the phi...   Sep 2 2005, 04:18 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) QUOTE Doesn't this kind...   Sep 2 2005, 04:28 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Not everyone who uses possession-style summoning i...   Sep 2 2005, 05:33 PM
- - hahnsoo   Also, don't forget about the Shedim and Imps, ...   Sep 2 2005, 05:46 PM
- - Kesh   I suppose the question is: why do you feel it...   Sep 2 2005, 06:05 PM
- - kigmatzomat   I don't see a big problem. The GM has final a...   Sep 2 2005, 06:09 PM
- - hahnsoo   To add my voice to Kesh's, I'd like to kno...   Sep 2 2005, 06:11 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE I suppose the question is: why do you feel ...   Sep 2 2005, 06:26 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   I'm of the same mind as Kesh, Kigmatzomat, and...   Sep 2 2005, 06:43 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE ....you are supposed to be able to select an...   Sep 2 2005, 06:58 PM
- - FrankTrollman   OK, now I'm just confused. Let me get this str...   Sep 2 2005, 07:29 PM
- - blakkie   I'm getting very suspicious of your name. E...   Sep 2 2005, 07:40 PM
- - kigmatzomat   QUOTE (Frank Trollman)The objectors want to create...   Sep 2 2005, 07:52 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Some of the spirits' other powers become...   Sep 2 2005, 08:23 PM
- - Draconis   QUOTE (blakkie) I'm getting very suspicious of...   Sep 2 2005, 08:47 PM
- - Cynic project   QUOTE (Draconis) QUOTE (blakkie @ Sep 2 2005,...   Sep 2 2005, 08:52 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Draconis @ Sep 2 2005, 02:47 PM) QUOTE...   Sep 2 2005, 08:54 PM
- - Cynic project   Well, for the msot part he is blunt and tells you ...   Sep 2 2005, 09:50 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Cynic project @ Sep 2 2005, 03:50 PM) ...   Sep 2 2005, 10:23 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Somehow he doesn't occur to him, or regi...   Sep 2 2005, 11:34 PM
- - kigmatzomat   First off, you're ignoring my point about mixe...   Sep 3 2005, 03:28 AM
- - hahnsoo   I think it's safe to say that while all of us ...   Sep 3 2005, 03:37 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE First off, you're ignoring my point abou...   Sep 3 2005, 03:56 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE Dude... I'm right here. Please don't...   Sep 3 2005, 06:32 AM
- - FrankTrollman   By the way, the report post button is broken and t...   Sep 3 2005, 07:54 AM
- - Crusher Bob   Hmm, the problem with your report post button may ...   Sep 3 2005, 09:27 AM
- - Toshiaki   Bug spirits would be a bit problematic. Even thie...   Sep 3 2005, 10:12 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Hmm, the problem with your report post butt...   Sep 3 2005, 03:23 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   I think some of this is starting to move in the ri...   Sep 3 2005, 03:56 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Why Ancestor spirits? Because Spirits of M...   Sep 3 2005, 04:14 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Sep 3 2005, 03:27 AM) Hm...   Sep 3 2005, 04:33 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   QUOTE Because Spirits of Man don't get access ...   Sep 3 2005, 04:35 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Sep 2 2005, 06:34 PM) ...   Sep 3 2005, 05:06 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Kage, if you have two lists, you're doing it m...   Sep 3 2005, 09:34 PM
- - Demonseed Elite   QUOTE Elementals have always been able to do that,...   Sep 3 2005, 10:19 PM
- - hahnsoo   Dude, you're not defending a thesis here. You...   Sep 3 2005, 10:20 PM


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